TheForestDragon's Foibles

TheForestDragon's Foibles
« on: Apr 26, 2010, 05:44 PM »
Hello All,
A long time ago I made two attempts at submitting a character to VOID Council and it was rejected both times. So, before I make another attempt, I wanted to submit some examples of what I can do and ask you if I’m competent enough to try again.

The first example was supposed to be a group picture of various VOID characters to show you, and myself, how competent I was at doing them. I wanted a picture of a human, an anthro, a fantasy creature and a cartoon character but there was no synergy between the characters. So, the cast was whittled down to an anthro (Angela Rudell) and a human(-like) character (Carolyne Reigne), both “dog girls”, who would have some synergy together, in fantasy if not reality.



I know there are issues with using other people’s characters without their permission, and issues with the subject matter, and issues with my artistic competence. I wasn’t going to post this anywhere but here in the forum. If the picture is removed then I’m okay with that. As they say, ‘Publish and be damned.’ I don’t care, drawing naked females was a good motivator and I learned alot on the way and, as it is my fifth finished work of art, I am pleased and proud of it no matter what other people think.


The second example is of a one page comic to show you my skill level with comics.



One and a half years ago the then VOID Approval Council members had these characters. I don’t know if Wei Ingnan has any VOID characters so I’ve given him the Invisible Man character.

Please tell me what you think of my submissions.


Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #1 on: Apr 26, 2010, 07:12 PM »
I'm pretty sure I mentioned it when you submitted back in the day, but here it goes again.

Basics. Studying your basics is the best thing for you to do right now. What are they?

Posing.
Proportions.
Perspective.

Your characters are all very stiff and lack the natural fluidity that people tend to have when engaging in real life actions. Doing gestures of real people is the best practice for this.

You lack the skill to believably render a humanoid character. Stylized or not, you need to be consistent about what you're doing. Drawing real people with a strong light source is absolutely necessary to build this skill. Enroll in a live figure drawing class if you can, this is the best and most assured way to improve. If you absolutely are unable to do this, then draw from nude stock photos online, pornography, or whatever. You need to know how to draw what's beneath the clothes, then add clothes on as you get more skilled.

Rendering characters believably in space is another part of proportion. I wouldn't worry about this until you can render people first, but essentially you need to learn how to draw backgrounds. A rectangle symbolizing a table isn't much, and rooms are more than just empty boxes. Aside from the Perspective tutorials in the University forum, drawing real interiors and exteriors will also be a big help.

I hope this helps, start posting up studies here in GFB and we can get started helping you along.

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #2 on: Apr 26, 2010, 07:36 PM »
no worries, people have drawn actual Angie porn before so I'm not offended. Thanks for the fanart!

I do have to echo what Pi said about your figures being very stiff though. If you have a tablet it helps to just sit and doodle away on a blank canvas in Photoshop. Drawing straight up in ink and just having at it helps too. It's a hard habit to break but with practice you'll loosen up soon.
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Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #3 on: Apr 26, 2010, 07:51 PM »
my. that's certainly passive aggressive now isn't it?

It's always best to ask permission first before drawing other people's characters. just out of common courtesy. But drawing other people's characters all nekkid & shit without permission is borderline creepy. That being said, if you do draw naked forms, you really ought to be able to tell if its a man or a woman. And I can't do that here. So you definitely need to brush up on your anatomy.

With your passive aggressive page dealie, there's no background to speak of (gradients are not a bg, just an overused photoshop effect), & the one prop you do have is a table. and even then, we only see the top of & seems to change its size from being SUPER long to just kinda long-ish. Usually people sit around a table, but I think you opted to have them all stand because I think you thought trying to draw them sitting would be too much of a challenge. I mean even in the other image, where they are supposed to be sitting, really it's just as though they would be standing with a blanket pulled up over the bent waists. There's not even any perspective to the blanket to give the impression of foreshortening. So I mean really, it looks like your dodging the issue. And if you're not willing to challenge yourself & push yourself further, than no, this isn't the place for you. But back to the page. The layout you chose is dull. There's one three quarter shot & then five straight angled shot where the only thing that varies is the zoom. An artist is supposed to manipulate layout to make people interested & excited to keep reading, even if it's a talking head scenario. By the way, by talking head, it's not a literal term. why does kotori's body disappear when she moves her head from side to side? The one panel where you do give us a slight example of perspective, the first one, the scaling's all off. It looks like (who i'm guessing is supposed to be) henriksen is sitting in another zipcode.

And these examples are both overly photoshopped. Gradients & Textures don't instantly make something better. If anything, the kind of detract like they do here because they fail to really help establish any kind of mood or feeling. they just kind of stick out abrasively & declare "SEE THIS? I DID THIS BIT DIGITALLY" & it shouldn't be like that.

Oh & the font choices stink.

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #4 on: Apr 26, 2010, 08:16 PM »
I appreciate that you wanted to draw my character and I don't mean any ill-intentions toward you for the subject matter, but it IS pretty plainly written out on Carolyne Reigne's page that I prefer not to see this sort of subject matter without being asked first.

I don't expect it to be taken down or really even mind that much, it's not a bad picture, but I would like to ask to be given the respect of BEING asked in the future. It's not the picture that bothers me, it's the disregard for my personal wishes.

True, Void is a very open community and I respect that. I also accepted that when I submitted my characters here for the community to use creatively, but I can't help but feel a little put off by this.

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #5 on: Apr 27, 2010, 08:16 AM »
Hello. Again. I def remember you now.

I do see improvement, but I'm afraid as others have said, there is still room for a LOT MORE improvement.
This would include both your backgrounds and anatomy, as well as your general knowledge of correct compositions and panel layouts. To sum it up, I'm agreeing with Kuro.

The fact that you chose a very odd subject to illustrate is indeed passive aggressive and rather disappointing that such a joke that you brought it up and nearly singled out a committee member. I don't see it as a matter of creativity at all, but almost... bitter.
I am simply glad I was left out. This is my opinion, and forgive me if I may be wrong.

You have a long time ago. I strongly recommend forgetting about drawing other people's character and start picking up drawing landscapes and practice anatomy to start out. Loosen up your figures a bit by doing gesture sketches. What I tell people consistently is that you can't just go "I'm going to improve" without drawing EVERY DAY for numerous hours. I mean... I don't know if thats what you ARE doing, but hell- I used to draw every day, almost every hour of my life to the point where it's on my record in grade school through high school.

It takes a lot of work and we definitely don't mind helping you along the way if you respect us.

That was a rant.
« Last Edit: Apr 27, 2010, 08:21 AM by luniara »

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #6 on: Apr 27, 2010, 09:52 AM »
I'd suggest working on realism and figure drawing. Learning to draw the human form unclothed would really help. Like Lune said, gesture drawing to relax your lines would be a big help, as well. Keep working, though. ;)

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« Last Edit: Apr 27, 2010, 10:19 AM by Kotori Ky »
You're not special. Deal.

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #7 on: Apr 27, 2010, 11:17 PM »
Thanks for your comments, people.

Judging from those I’d say I’m still not good enough to try submitting a character to VOID. Pity! The deadlines would have been a good motivator for me. But that’s okay, I’ll try to impose my own deadlines and submit regularly to Go For Broke until you say my skill levels are up to scratch.

As for what I did…

The Duet.
My apologies to Kaelin. I’m not on the internet all the time so I’ve downloaded most VOID characters profiles and design sheets. Carolyne Reigne’s profile (downloaded around 20 September 2008) didn’t have any warning. If’ I’d seen that warning message I definitely would not have chosen your character.



The comic.
I didn’t add a background because it was irrelevant and most of it would just be covered by text. What’s happening around the table is the important thing. A background would have been a distraction. The table, viewed from the top, is a rectangle. If it’s a boring, rectangular laminated table then it’s going to look like an uninteresting rectangle at this resolution. What am I supposed to do? Hack the table to pieces to make it look “interesting”?  Knowing what to leave out and what to put in is all part of the learning experience.

I agree that not showing the backs of chairs was an oversight. As for the head-turning, I wasn’t able to find any examples of head movement in the comics and reference books I’ve looked at. A better representation of movement will come when I find examples to guide me.

I’m just a beginner at drawing and colouring. Doing flat colours is good enough as far as I can see, at the moment. With more skill and experience I will be able to colour the characters better to give them more rounded/ realistic forms. Establishing mood/ feeling is a bit beyond my skill levels at present. I do need to work on the basics of posing, proportions and perspective. Basic colours comes next then creating mood.

Apart from luniara mentioning the comic was ‘almost bitter’, none of you mentioned the humour or entertainment value of the comic, so that’s a blow to my ego. Comics are measured for their Creativity, Quality and Entertainment. I know my Quality value is low. I was hoping my Entertainment value would lift my score a bit. But, apparently, what I think is mildly amusing reads as ‘almost bitter’. I guess I’ll have to work at that, as well. Maybe throw more pies.

There are no excuses for being inexperienced, except when you are inexperienced.

A question I have is; Should I concentrate on black and white comics and when I’m good enough at those start practicing on my colouring skills, or should I try to improve both at the same time?



Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #8 on: Apr 28, 2010, 01:01 AM »
Judging from those I’d say I’m still not good enough to try submitting a character to VOID. Pity! The deadlines would have been a good motivator for me.

Wanting to draw & get better should be the biggest motivator for anyone coming to the site. If you had however long to work on these & they had this many issues, I don't see how rushing anything's going to help with a deadline.

My apologies to Kaelin. I’m not on the internet all the time so I’ve downloaded most VOID characters profiles and design sheets.

lol wut?

Carolyne Reigne’s profile (downloaded around 20 September 2008) didn’t have any warning. If’ I’d seen that warning message I definitely would not have chosen your character.

I don't know why you're going through the hassle of downloading character bios, but whether you did it two years ago or two days ago, its irrelevant because it wouldn't have mattered if you were courteous & asked in the first place. Or bothered to check back. It's just good manners. although few, certain people tend to get upset with this & you happened to catch one of those few. Which is why it's best to let them know first.

I didn’t add a background because it was irrelevant and most of it would just be covered by text. What’s happening around the table is the important thing. A background would have been a distraction.

Why would you say that? You see I would argue that not having a background is makes what you have irrelevant because you're not trying to establish any sort of reference to the events happening in actual space & time. Where does it take place? Apparently some blue gradient vacuum where everyone likes to pick on you. Why should I be interested if there's no context to it?

Beyond that, you're coming to us, asking us if you're ready for the site. One of the things you need to display for this site is the ability to create a convincing enough background for your stories. You don't do that here. Instead, what do you do? Argue why you don't need them. No one's saying every panel. But not being able to show us anything is not going to work.

And a proper layout would have prevented covering everything up with word balloons. Just do a little work & put some thought into what it is you're doing & you can make just about anything work.

The table, viewed from the top, is a rectangle. If it’s a boring, rectangular laminated table then it’s going to look like an uninteresting rectangle at this resolution. What am I supposed to do? Hack the table to pieces to make it look “interesting”?  Knowing what to leave out and what to put in is all part of the learning experience.

There is something to be said for knowing what to leave out but if all you're giving to us is an incredibly simple table top that doesn't even stay the same size, you're not giving us much of anything really, which was my point.

I agree that not showing the backs of chairs was an oversight.

So wait, they are supposed to be seated? Because they all look as though they're standing. Yeah. Work on poses.

Apart from luniara mentioning the comic was ‘almost bitter’, none of you mentioned the humour or entertainment value of the comic, so that’s a blow to my ego. Comics are measured for their Creativity, Quality and Entertainment. I know my Quality value is low. I was hoping my Entertainment value would lift my score a bit. But, apparently, what I think is mildly amusing reads as ‘almost bitter’. I guess I’ll have to work at that, as well. Maybe throw more pies.

First of all, I did say it was awfully passive aggressive.

But let's look at this a second. You're saying you're let down because no one responded to the attempt of a joke you made. The one where you single out someone who you felt wronged you.

First off, we discussed creativity here. You hardly showed any as this takes place in a blue vacuum, the layout & angles are entirely basic & there's no mood or vibe to it. To be creative, thought's got to be put into what you're doing & everything about this is pretty generic.

Ultimately, you're asking us how entertaining you picking on someone is really. And there's nothing really entertaining about it. Not in the fact that it's overly offensive. It's just so bland. It's that lame level of base line sitcom humor that precedes a really blatant laugh track. And you know, it's not really that characteristic either so it doesn't really fit. Kotori will often go into agonizing detail about just how wicked she can be. Trust me. She's the first to admit something like that but you have her ignorant to the fact here. You may say "well i'm not on the internet often so i don't know her well enough." Good point. So then what's the point of trying to make her the brunt of your joke if you don't know her well enough to make jokes about her? Other than being bitter?

A more apt situation would probably be her laughing about being called a witch, relishing the fact, & everyone else just wanting to move on.

A question I have is; Should I concentrate on black and white comics and when I’m good enough at those start practicing on my colouring skills, or should I try to improve both at the same time?

I think you're concerning yourself with the trees & not the forest. You should concentrate on two things right now: anatomy (all kinds) & poses (all kinds). When you're done with that, then move onto backgrounds & perspective. It seems like you need a lot of work there so focus on them & then work on the color or b&w thing (in the knowledge b&w is totally different than just not coloring).

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #9 on: Apr 28, 2010, 01:36 AM »
Hey TheForestDragon

I wrote a very long comment, but then I remembered that there is one question to ask fist before judging you...

How old are you?!


Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #10 on: Apr 28, 2010, 07:17 AM »
To add onto what Kuro said,

Regardless if backgrounds are distracting, if you are to make it in ANY industry of comics- you're going to have backgrounds. It doesn't need to be super detailed, but it needs to give the reader a sense of surroundings.

You do not see professional comic artists go "the background was too distracting to the words being said"

A perfect example from one of my favorite comics.
The words being told are important, but so is the background. It is giving the reader the IMPACT to go along with the foreground and the dialogue.


You can have those gradient background moments for close-ups/emotion shots. I'll even use myself as another example since I just LOVE using gradient and texture backgrounds. In the example below, I give simplistic and soft backgrounds to -again- give the reader knowledge where the fuck my characters are! As in, they're not floating in space somewhere. I used gradient backgrounds for close ups, etc. I am by far not a professional, but I couldn't think of any other examples for minimal backgrounds.


In regards to finding your comic entertaining, I found it anything but since I KNOW it was a shot at your failed attempts with the approval committee. So yes, definitely "bitter". (Feel free to illustrate that opinion next). My state of mind was more in the sense of "He just wants to show an example of his artwork", and that is what I looked at.


Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #11 on: Apr 28, 2010, 05:13 PM »
Hahaha way bitter, but still pretty funny. She does say dumb awkward things, doesn't she?

As for the head-turning, I wasn’t able to find any examples of head movement in the comics and reference books I’ve looked at. A better representation of movement will come when I find examples to guide me.

I can definitely help you on this one:

Best reference in the world, especially for things involving heads, aside from that of course there's:


Less words, more pictures, you're getting better, but quit getting worked up over stupid bullshit and don't make everything personally you big baby. Believe me, aside from Kotori and Wei, the council doesn't really do idiotic grudges over stupid pointless forum drama. Just turn in good work and you'll get in. You're close, damn close.
Be nice Jack.

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #12 on: Apr 28, 2010, 08:01 PM »
yup Jack speaks from experience....he knows all about stupid bullshit, idiotic grudges and pointless forum drama
-draw like you love it.... not like your mom told you to do it-

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #13 on: Apr 28, 2010, 08:29 PM »
Wei, this isn't Spit Spat, if you're not going to provide a critique or a helpful comment you really shouldn't post at all.


Or just those last six words. Either works in this case.
Be nice Jack.

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #14 on: Apr 28, 2010, 09:32 PM »
Thanks for the comments guys,

I don’t want to nitpick with what everyone has said, so I’ll keep this short.

The comic I submitted didn’t show a variety of techniques, like background and shading. I deliberately made this a “One Page” comic. I had to compress everything onto the one page. That is why the first panel has three people talking, why the seating arrangement and perspective are the way they are, why there is a line of text saying “Approval Committee Meeting” rather than a panel of a door with the note saying, “Approval Committee Meeting in session”. It’s all part of the page composition. None of you said the page looked cluttered or argued about the flow of the comic so I’ve done well, judging from your lack of comments on the matter.

I do wit. I see the humour in things. You saw the gun on the table next to the meeting co-ordinator. Why!? What would he use that for? Col Henriksen, “This is going to be a short meeting! Any objections!?” nudging the gun with his hand. Did you see the food on the table? How many of you have been to regular corporate meetings? You get plain biscuit, if you’re lucky. Apparently that subtle humour went well over some people’s heads. Which means, yes, I will continue to see the humour in the interactions I have with this world, and I will make humorous comments about them, no matter whether they appear to be “grudges” or “bitter”.

I’m sure you people can rework this “One Page” comic and make it much better, and at the same time make it absolutely hilarious compared to mine. I live and wait to see!

As for the subject matter of the comic, I could have done a boring comic of a snail crawling over a stone, with lots of background shots and different camera angles, and you would have praised me greatly ( ;D) but I chose something more interesting and relevant to the forum monitors and approval committee members.

Kuro: This ‘One Page’ comic was not a good example of backgrounds. It was focusing on other things. I am sorry for that. I will need to ensure that some of the ‘One Page’ comics I submit to ‘Go For Broke!’ have decent backgrounds.

Jack: Thanks, but, I was actually talking about side to side motion, not heads. Motion in one direction is fairly simple and examples are easy to find, but I couldn’t find examples of repetitive back and forth movement.

F3E: I am ooooold! I will get a walking cane for my birthday, a wheelchair for father’s day and a tombstone for Christmas. OOOOOOOLD!!

You are all helping me in your own way, with your own style of writing, and I appreciate that, thank you.

Luniara: thanks for the suggestion. I’m going off to do some “bitter” art.

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #15 on: Apr 28, 2010, 10:44 PM »
The comic I submitted didn’t show a variety of techniques, like background and shading.

I hate to say that you don't know what you're talking about, but you don't know what you're talking about. Know how I know? Because Backgrounds aren't a "technique" A technique is a way to go about doing something to establish a certain outcome. Backgrounds should be an intrinsic part of what you're trying to convey. Same for shading essentially too. I mean you can avoid shading & try to chalk it up to style, but you're just ducking out & being lazy. But backgrounds are pretty essential.

None of you said the page looked cluttered or argued about the flow of the comic so I’ve done well, judging from your lack of comments on the matter.

Yeah. Really something to pat yourself on the back about, given how difficult it was to pace something like this.

I do wit.

HAH! That sentence is funny to me.

You saw the gun on the table next to the meeting co-ordinator.

No I didn't, because it's really hard to see that it's a gun. And even if it was more obvious, there's no motion or inference to him threatening to use it given it's a couple feet away from him.

Did you see the food on the table? How many of you have been to regular corporate meetings? You get plain biscuit, if you’re lucky. Apparently that subtle humour went well over some people’s heads.

In fact I think it's so subtle it's not actually even humor at all.

Seriously. As someone that "does wit", how's that remotely witty? How is there humor in that? Beyond that you know a joke's dead the instant you gotta explain it, right? Don't leave the corporate dayjob. Especially not for a gig writing comedy there, mr. wit.

I’m sure you people can rework this “One Page” comic and make it much better, and at the same time make it absolutely hilarious compared to mine. I live and wait to see!

Yeah that seems like a real constructive use of everyone's time. Let's all redraw the lame comic you did.

As for the subject matter of the comic, I could have done a boring comic of a snail crawling over a stone, with lots of background shots and different camera angles, and you would have praised me greatly ( ;D)

If it was drawn like this? Not likely.

but I chose something more interesting and relevant to the forum monitors and approval committee members.

I think you really overestimate the relevance of such interactions because they're not actually that interesting. Even when you dramatize them in the one page format you've so stringently stressed. And why are you so in love with only doing one page at a time? Scared to tell a story over -Gasp- two pages?

And I like how you're still giving excuses about not finding ref after the mention of a mirror. Is it that hard to kind of think about? Really? A wit such as yourself as a hard time wrapping their brain around that?

And you know what? You are bitter. You know how I know? It doesn't really seem like you're honestly looking to get better. You post your little potshot strip here & wanna get everyone's opinion on it. They tell you what it needs & you don't like it. Instead posting more art & trying to progress, you come back with long winded excuses about what you were trying to do & how we just don't get the jokes you tried to make. Given how much importance you've given all your other forum interactions apparently, to point of portraying them in comic form & all; you're probably hanging on my every word right now. So listen, either get serious & post some comics that matter or stop wasting everyone's time.
« Last Edit: Apr 28, 2010, 10:47 PM by Kuro »

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #16 on: Apr 28, 2010, 11:29 PM »
@TheForestDragon

F3E: I am ooooold! I will get a walking cane for my birthday, a wheelchair for father’s day and a tombstone for Christmas. OOOOOOOLD!!

Then stop acting like a child! Really I'm getting the idea you are more like 12 Years old. A bad picture is a bad picture is a bad picture. No excuse will ever change this.

And you know what? You are bitter. You know how I know? It doesn't really seem like you're honestly looking to get better. You post your little potshot strip here & wanna get everyone's opinion on it. They tell you what it needs & you don't like it. Instead posting more art & trying to progress, you come back with long winded excuses about what you were trying to do & how we just don't get the jokes you tried to make. Given how much importance you've given all your other forum interactions apparently, to point of portraying them in comic form & all; you're probably hanging on my every word right now. So listen, either get serious & post some comics that matter or stop wasting everyone's time.

Follow Kuros advice, seriously! You've been given a lot of good advice, follow it. Stop arguing about bad stuff and go on.

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Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #17 on: Apr 29, 2010, 12:30 AM »
Bitter much?
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Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #18 on: Apr 29, 2010, 05:59 AM »
I could have done a boring comic of a snail crawling over a stone, with lots of background shots and different camera angles,
Boring? That sounds awesome.

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #19 on: Apr 29, 2010, 09:23 AM »
I could have done a boring comic of a snail crawling over a stone, with lots of background shots and different camera angles,
Boring? That sounds awesome.

Agreed, make that comic next!

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #20 on: Apr 29, 2010, 01:15 PM »
FD, I really think you're missing the point here.

Stop worrying so much about subject matter and start improving your art. You are not XKCD, you are not Cyanide and Happiness. Even if you were, the art would STILL have to be stepped up to make a solid submission.

Instead of trying to justify why you did the comic the way you did (I don't think anyone is terribly interested in what was intentional and what wasn't), just accept the feedback given to you and move forward. Start doing anatomy and background studies, start practicing your realism. If you're unwilling or unable to do these things, then there really isn't any point to you doing comics here, I'm sorry.

Look, I'm probably more willing to give you the benefit of the doubt than anyone, please show me that you understand the point I'm trying to make here.

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #21 on: Apr 29, 2010, 09:31 PM »
Bitter.


Are you even serious about improving? You're wasting our time if you aren't. We took our time out to give you OUR opinions and you're taking them, and smooshing doggie doodoo on em! Just go FOLLOW it already.


You should be DRAWING. and not posting repetitive retorts!
« Last Edit: Apr 29, 2010, 09:32 PM by luniara »

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2010, 09:23 PM »
Hello All,
   Wow! You guys are super aggressive! I post a work of art and ask for your opinion. You give your opinion then I try to explain what I was trying to do and you’re all over me, and not in a kind way! I was just responding to your statements. Don’t get all huffy!

Sorry, but it’s only been 5 days since I posted the entry so don’t expect an avalanche of drawings! I don’t do quick drawings as I’m still working out the basics.

I waited two days to get enough responses then started working on a black and white drawing. As you said, if I read the feedback correctly, I should do B&W drawings and forget about colours for the moment.



With this picture I was mainly working out line widths to find out what looked pleasing to my eye. I settled on 0.1 COPIC Multi-liner for the inlines and 0.4 Rotring Tikky Graphic for the outlines. Reducing the picture to 800px wide hurt the resolution of the picture, most notable in the teeth of the zipper. The back and forth motion looks iffy. Regrettably, I didn’t get any pointers from you on how to do back and forth motion. I found a few examples in my books and they all do it differently. The way I illustrated it is probably what everyone else rejected.

I know that some of you prefer brush or quill pen for lines but, to me, that would look different, not better.

Please tell me what you think, while I go off and work on backgrounds.

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2010, 09:50 PM »
Lemons are sour.

Getting it wrong doesn't make it funny. Perhaps you should try a different genre? Suspense, Crime, Horror? Comedy isn't your bag. If you want it to be, perhaps you should do research.

Of course you're not really gonna listen anyway.

Too bad you can't criticize yourself, then you might draw your own characters and ideas.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2010, 09:53 PM by Hiemie »

Re: TheForestDragon's Foibles
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2010, 10:37 PM »
I looked over this thread, I looked at your responses, and I think Pi should give up on you dude (also XCD-whatever and Cynide and Happiness aren't good comics). Your attitude fucking sucks, you're very closed minded even when you're getting some of the best feedback anybody could get here and even I haven't had this much insight in my art pieces. You're doing nothing but wasting the time of others by being a condescending prick where as others are more deserving of their time.

I'm looking at your art and I'm not liking it at all, nobody wants to read about your grudge or the things you hate, this should be common knowledge by now but apparently there are still pricks who find this funny. Others have already said it, but let me say it again while being more of a dick: learn backgrounds and anatomy or get the fuck out, since you're not learning either of those two things, I suggest you get out and don't look back.

That's all that needs to be said, if there are any excuses after this, then everybody should give up on this fucker because he's just wanting our attention.

Edit: OH! I know you're posting again dude, I highly suggest you don't if you're smart, but I'm doubtful about that.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2010, 10:41 PM by Phillip C »
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