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Art => THE INCUBATOR => Topic started by: Dumorte on Feb 18, 2016, 12:57 PM
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UUUHGGH... HYPERVENTILATION ENSUING... breathe breathe... okay.
Hi!
So... I'm working on my first character for the website. I am not a skilled artist like all of you but I enjoy drawing and doodling and sketching. My mediums are pencil and pen & ink (if i'm feeling brave). I don't own any fancy art gadgets or software so my drawings are totally done monochromatic on notebooks lol.
Well, without further ado, here is my character (in progress)!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/tito02_zpsbwz62v3f.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/tito01_zpseag6oyaj.jpg)
Occupation: Luchador
Name: Tito Generico
Working Name: El Codorniz Colorado
Height: 6'0"
Weight: 220 lbs
Age: 27
Bio (Updated 3/14)
Friendly, sociable, at times oblivious and happily ignorant, Tito finds little to complain about. Not even the condition (Hypermobility Syndrome) he was born with.
As a child, his escape from reality was watching wrestling on television and in person. It was love at first sight. So much so that it became an unhealthy obsession (with psychological effects) and a life goal to become a wrestler. At age 22, the dream had finally come true.
Tito was vigorously trained by Mexican Luchadores for 5 years during which he was a fan-favorite jobber (wrestler who routinely loses). Even so, he still doesn’t understand a word of Spanish. In fact, he is under the impression that his luchador name, given by his first promoter, means The Silver Hawk. He is very proud of it.
As a wrestler with immeasurable resilience, exceptional durability, and hypermobility, he quickly became the go-to Jobber in the wrestling industry. He is particularly proud of his glorious man-bun and had a luchador mask specifically crafted to house the beautiful bun and leave it unscathed after every match. Due to the mask's unusual shape, and his unearthly pain-tolerance leaving his body nice and red after almost every single match, he earned the work name El Codorniz Colorado.
He sports a “LUCHA” tattoo across his right shoulder which is the symbol of a prestigious Lucha Guild. Luchadores Unidos Con Honor y Amistad (Luchadores United Coinciding with Honor and Amity).
Non-Recorded Psychological Evaluation:
• Perceives the world as a giant wrestling arena.
• Tends to see those he focuses on as a luchadores. (Mostly noticeable during confrontations.)
• Rarely removes mask. Claims that it is part of him.
Mask Anatomy:
• Yellow symbolizes immortality, optimism and cheerfulness.
• Blue/Turquoise symbolizes loyalty, integrity, and clarity of mind (ironic?)
• The colors also represent the California quail.
• Conical Cap symbolizes the quail’s plume (and houses Tito’s man-bun)
• Trim: Bird-like features that symbolize the quail.
“When I put on the mask, I'm transformed. The mask gives me strength. The mask gives me fame. The mask is magical. When I remove the mask, I'm a normal human who can walk right by you, and not even get a "hello". Usually with the mask on, everything is positive. Without the mask I'm a normal being who has his problems, who cries, who sometimes suffers… And this human being sometimes sacrifices a lot to give the this other identity life” – El Hijo del Santo
"Have an up and coming superstar that needs to be fed a wrestler? Need a luchador to entertain your blood-thirsty fans as table fodder? Want to hire a luchador that will work for next to nothing and give you all he has in return!? Then El Codorniz Colorado is your man!" - Promoter
2/18 Character Update:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoCS_zpsdaz0k4wx.jpg)
2/19 Character Update, plus scan, and post-it Chibis!(?):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoCS_zpsu2nnerkg.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titocry_zpsjri8puz9.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titochibi_zpsnhvi6pfl.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titovsfgreece_zpsu0cafreb.png)
"OH NO GREECE, BEHIND YOU! HES GONNA SETH ROLLINS YOUR ASS! XD" - Shen
2/20 Update: Page 1 of comic. It's currently a work in progress! Plus more!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titogenerico1_zps0wkha35e.png)
First time digitally coloring stuff!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titochibicolored_zpsj3kqnimw.jpg)
Second attempt at using GIMP
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoCScolored_zpsknuices7.jpg)
2/21 Update: Working with the coloring tools in GIMP
Cleaned up CS a bit. Still gotta do something about that hair.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoCSshadows_01_zpsuzyhtcti.png)
Updated coloring on page 1 comic. (unfinished)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoComicColored01_01_zpsszyx2oz4.png)
2/23 Update: touched up the mask design + some top rope action!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titomask01_zpsgaxzipck.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/toprope_zpsxzykxbjd.png)
Update 3/7
Intro pages edited to fit 4 pages. (None are finished)
Page 2
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/comicEdit_02_zpsexn0vizv.png)
Page 3
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/comicEdit_03_zpsiz8qyvgd.png)
Page 4
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoComic04_edit_zpswh2vgxkt.png)
All feedback is appreciated. ALL OF IT. I WANT to get better!
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YES HELLO I AM HERE FOR WRESTLE CHARACTERS
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of course you are, shen^^
As for you Dumorte, i 'm rooting out for ya !
Not enough wrestlers in activity in this website ^^
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:D Lucha! Lucha! Lucha!
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Hay hay and welcome to VOID! Also don't panic. We all started where you were. Don't be afraid to submit comics you feel might not be your best work or sketches that aren't polished or complete. At the end of the day repetition, consistency and getting that art out there is the key. This place, over time will help you improve, but ya gotta be brave and put your stuff out there. You'd be surprised how far some voiders have come from their humble beginnings in the incubator, so don't lose heart.
First off- comics. I would much rather have this characters personality and occupation/abilities explained in a comic than a wall of text.
Try tinkering with a character sheet and draw this guy from all angles. Draw some expressions and varied poses that are things other than him standing there. From what you've given, I get the feeling you're just getting used to drawing this guy, so go at it.
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Thank you! Definitely just started him. The pencil one is my first full body drawing of him. The bust is the second/third time. And thanks for the feedback!
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Update on my character. Took some advice from RoflQu and, even though I do not have all the materials he suggested yet, was able to fix up my character with pens and sharpies, haha. This is a camera pic. Gonna see if I can scan it tomorrow at work.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoCS_zpsdaz0k4wx.jpg)
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dumorte if you don't have photoshop or sai or manga studio or corel or any of those you can find Gimp, it's a free program that does many of the same basic things and can be a good way to get started with digital enhancement. I'll help you clean up the linework once you've scanned it and you can test out GIMp to get some colors down (colors are only needed for the character sheet, for the reference of other artists. You can stick to black and white for your comics)
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While PYras makes a good point, don't feel pressured in needing to do digital work. There are traditional comic artists on the site who make really great comics using the ol' watercolors,markers, and other media which should definitely be encouraged.
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i second that! you´ll get better with your chosen medium the more you use it.
as for the comic pages. consider sketching out some trial intro pages to show here. they dont need to be final since the incubator is to help in the progress and not praising final works.
it helps figuring out what you actually wanna draw him like in action.
other than that i like the guy. not too much to say at this point :)
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[member=2620]PyrasTerran[/member] Thanks man! No I do not have any of those programs :X But I will definitely check out that free one! All help is appreciated ;)
[member=1262]Kozispoon[/member] thank you! I have always felt more comfortable with pencil/pen haha. But that's cause I've never tried anything digital! :P
[member=1276]Elyan[/member] I've been thinking about starting that. It's probably something I start this weekend. I'm still learning to draw (basically) so I'm taking babysteps lol.
UPDATE:
So, I just used the scanner at work, which sent me a PDF, to which I then took a screenshot and saved it in Paint as a Jpeg. The uploaded it into Photobucket and got the following:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoCS_zpsu2nnerkg.jpg)
Oh and I also drew him showing some mic skills.
Are there any recommended steps that I am not doing for proper scanning?
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it's relatively clean for a scan, good job!
lay down some colors and then you can get started on some intro comic pages
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That's the most terrifying thing I've heard in a while. I'll check out that GIMP site when I get outta work. Something about googling "Gimp" on my work computer is ringing an alarm in my head.
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So i tried adding some color using the Gimp software and it was looking pretty awful. All my shadow lines got in the way and I guess the scan wasn't clear enough to make colors reach the lines. :/
With that said, I still went ahead and gave a shot at a page 1 for my comic! It's not completed yet and I have not decided exactly what to put on the last panel. Also, I do not own my owns scanner yet (I've been using the one at work) so instead I took a picture with my phone. But, this is what I have so far!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titogenerico1_zps0wkha35e.png)
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I looked up a tutorial about getting clean line work in Gimp and found this, I hope it helps with the colors!
https://youtu.be/3FuIiQjpdnE
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Oooohh that does look very helpful! The ones I found weren't very good.... Thanks a lot! I'll totally check it out tomorrow! :D
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I don't know GIMP off the bat really but does it have layers and does it have the option to use multiply on a layer?
if so, what you want to do is:
make 2 layers, one where you lineart is and one that is clean
set the lineart to multiply
color on the layer beneath it
this should help with things
you can also use the magic wand tool to select sections on the lineart and fill them on the bottom layer when you select it
this is kinda basic instrutions for most art programs so I'm hoping GIMP has these basic tools
Also great job completing your first ever page!
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Thanks for the tutorial video! Messing with it I was able to finish my first GIMP coloring! It's nothing fancy but it's my first so I'm excited lol.
It's Chibi Colorado getting ready to fight!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titochibicolored_zpsj3kqnimw.jpg)
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Yay I helped!
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Attempt #2 at using GIMP. good lord i spent hours doing this :X
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoCScolored_zpsknuices7.jpg)
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Totally forgot i drew this the other day. It was a rather quick(ish) sketch. Keep in mind that a "quick" sketch for me means about 30 mins. lol
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titovsfgreece_zpsu0cafreb.png)
THIS IS NOT GOING TO END WELL!!!! (For Colorado!)
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Giving the comic page 1 a shot at coloring. (Colors not final)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoComicColored01_zpszi9w6ft2.png)
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I'm kind of confused. Whose the kid in your comic page? Is that supposed to be Colorado? Why is he a green eyed red headed white kid in the past, but a mustachioed, black haired, dark eyed some-kinda-Latino all grown up?
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Still messing with colors. I had issues in the character sheet because of the lines that were scanned made anything but darker colors even worse. But eyes are still green and hair is a bit darker Brown than as a kid.
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fixed up Kid Colorado's skin tone and hair.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoComicColored01_01_zpsszyx2oz4.png)
Cleaned up the CS a bit. Having difficulty altering the hair to the intended color though. Might have to do a re-scan of the drawing and work from there.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoCSshadows_01_zpsuzyhtcti.png)
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Dude this is one hell of a progress. You are doing good. I dont know what the approval commitee says but at this rate youll have your character in in no time
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Thank you!! Indeed I'm trying very hard lol.
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Updated the mask a bit and drew some top rope action! Then colored both.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/mask_zps12ry1ljn.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titomask01_zpsgaxzipck.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/toprope_zpszeiphxjc.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/toprope_zpsxzykxbjd.png)
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You're making some real nice progress, keep at it man!
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Definitely like what I'm seeing so far. And you seem to be getting the hang of using GIMP.
From the examples I've seen, I would like to see a little love given to the backgrounds, like perhaps a training room or stadium, just so the readers know where the character/event is taking place and not just floating in blank space. I understand completely that they're not fun for everyone (myself included), but you will grow more comfortable drawing backgrounds as time goes by. Practice and perseverance can take anyone a long way.
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I second that, backgrounds have always been a pain for me to draw and even now as I try to push myself to draw them more I still need a lot of work.
Also, references are your friend!
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Cleaned up the CS a bit. Having difficulty altering the hair to the intended color though. Might have to do a re-scan of the drawing and work from there.
Or you can just draw the character sheet again. Its clear you've tweaked and modified quite a few things since this initial drawing that it may almost need a second or even third go around to really solidify the look. You're on a site where you're gonna be doing pages and pages of what amounts to sequential repetition. May as well get used to it! :)
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[member=21207]OberonGoat[/member] Thank you! I definitely use references! At least those I can find. I will need to find a good one that involves backgrounds and perspectives haha.
[member=6146]JayKat[/member] You bring up a good point. I've done little to no background work due to discomfort of attempting it haha. But, I know I need to do it :X I will definitely start on it!
[member=1262]Kozispoon[/member] Yeah, I've been thinking the same. Haha. It will need to be redone. And repetition is indeed key! Thanks for the tip!
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working on page 2
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/cb9af458-a150-48bb-a631-d5b92b5a4590_zpsx6ivujtp.jpg)
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Ok, so I just started lurking again today after like 2 or 3 or more years of inactivity (more like 5-6?) and I had to post here to say I love the idea behind a lucha character! Especially one based around Sami Zayn's old indie background El Generico!
Good luck to you! Make sure to listen closely to the advice given by the guys around here, they'll always steer you right and try to help you!
And now, I vanish back into the shadows!
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[member=935]Enef[/member] Noooooooooooooooooooooooo, he is not based on samis character! Lol
In fact, I created this character and was later informed by a Void user of Sami's character. It was purely coincidence! Haha But I like the name I gave him so I kept it regardless of the fact :) I did change the work name though so it wouldnt truly seem like I ripped him off.
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cool to see you playing with point perspective, you can liven up those buildings with random dots and cracks and spots, grime on the corners by the ground, a few posters/signs, etc. and don't forget to draw a horizon, be it mountains, buildings, etc.
Take into consideration where you want your word bubbles to be before you start laying down finishing inks, that way you're not stuck with compositions that inhibit good bubble placement.
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You're making nice progress but you've got some major perspective issues. You seem to understand the concept of it, but you're not really implementing it correctly.
Page 2, first panel:
Classic 1 point perspective. What you're doing wrong here is that with this technique all of the horizontal lines of your buildings should be parallel to your horizon line. Where it stands out is in the bottom corners of your doorways. You have the lines going diagonally, what point are they connecting to? Those should be horizontal.
http://i.imgur.com/KWgHOIx.png
more in depth here: http://www.totallylamerobot.com/void/horizonposition.jpg
The rest of your panels you're just slapping in a vanishing point and not considering scale. Remember: YOUR VANISHING POINTS DO NOT HAVE TO FIT INSIDE OF YOUR PANEL! On the second to last panel your horizon line is WAY too high. Lower it down because that's what's making your ring look awkwardly long. Draw scenes and then crop into them. Otherwise you're going to get the scale of the room wrong. You also have to draw your figures to fit in the scene.
Overall I think you're drawing the horizon lines way too high and limiting yourself to 1 point perspective too often. You need to move the vanishing point outside of your panels to make a more interesting or accurate scene.
Read up here:
http://entervoid.com/index.php?topic=10652.0
http://entervoid.com/index.php?topic=12151.0
http://help-me-draw.tumblr.com/post/118172712950/notes-on-perspective
You're on the right track for sure, it's just a little off.
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[member=2620]PyrasTerran[/member] thanks for the tip! I was indeed thinking of adding such things once i began the coloring :D As for the bubbles, yeah I've found myself not giving myself enough room for bubbles on some panels. :/ Also it doesnt help that Im currently working with a comic panel template. lol. But it's just for now.
[member=1499]Red[/member] thanks a lot for the feedback man. Yeah, perspective has always been a weakness of mine. I use a lot of reference pictures to aid me but clearly it's not enough. :/
As for the first panel issues, do you mean the doorway edges where it meets to make the 90 degree angle?
Also, good call on that second to last panel thing. I didnt really notice (or see it) till you mentioned it and now i totally see it. When you say "crop into them," do you mean using the crop option in the art software? I think you do and if so, that will be the next thing I will need to learn how to do. I currently use GIMP and all I really know how to do right now is how to set layers and color, lol.
Thank you for those links and your help! I will totally check them all out. I am very grateful for you taking your time to aid me in my drawing!
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I mean don't just draw what is going to appear in your panel. Sketch out the entire room so you know you have things set up properly, then you can use a portion of that sketch to make your final drawing. It's difficult to get everything placed correctly if you don't have things like the floor and ceiling for reference. You're getting the concept of bringing all the times back to the vanishing point, I'm just saying you can place it way off to the right or left and crop it out of your actual panel. I drew it out on the horizon placement tutorial.
I've never used gimp, but if you're drawing traditionally you can just sketch out the scene.
Perspective is weird at first, but looking at photos helps a ton. Once you learn things like horizon point placement it will eventually become second nature when you're setting up a scene. But for now just be aware of how the placement will change your scene.
Let us know if any of that doesn't make sense, sometimes I am bad at explanations! :D
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I'm gonna redo that second to last panel to see if im getting this perspective thing right. it's actually more difficult than i thought, haha.
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[member=1499]Red[/member] redone the panel in pencil for perspective practice
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/comicpage2box4_zpszmum7v5f.jpg)
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better ! just be careful with that hand ^^
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[member=21068]Radji[/member] Watchu talkin bout, Willis
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i think he means that the hand/forearm is in line with the rings string wich looks a bit wierd.
other than that that panel is ace in comparission ;)
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i think he means that the hand/forearm is in line with the rings string wich looks a bit wierd.
other than that that panel is ace in comparission ;)
Excatly !
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Oo didn't even notice that. Thank you both!
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not really comic related but i like it so im adding it here :)
it HAS given me an idea for the character though!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/coloradandhawlucha_zpstfm3vqkb.png)
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ha ha you should post that on what's hat pokemon topic on the forum, it's cool !
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haha i totally did! that topis ic what made me want to make this ^_^
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been working on intro comic. page 2,3,4 in pencil. I keep fixing things are i learn from all yall's feedback! :D
Wanted to update on the intro.
Page 2
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoComic02_zpsvalyfdni.png)
Page 3
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoComic03_zps5ktltbes.png)
Page 4
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoComic04_zpsetzlvpaj.png)
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page 5
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoComic05_zpspuj5y1he.jpg)
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the intro comic is only 4 pages max, sir!
If you absolutely need to, you can stack a page or two, but see if you can tell your little prologue story in 4 pages.
You can probably take out page 4, from what I can tell from the images, he stumbles into a gym when he's young and a luchador decides to train him, established by page 3. And page 4 is his first lesson?
You can just skip from 3 back to 5, the present time, once he's been taken up by a luchador teacher, the rest is history really.
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ahhh didnt know on the 4 page limit! thanks man.
Basically it's, present time, reminisce, back to present, enter void city.
Yeah I'll see what I can do here.
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so messing with Paint at work (haha) ive narrowed it down to the following pages. keep in mind none of these are finished.
Page 1
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoComicColored01_01_zpsszyx2oz4.png)
Page 2
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/comicEdit_02_zpsexn0vizv.png)
Page 3
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/comicEdit_03_zpsiz8qyvgd.png)
Page 4
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/comicEdit_04_zpstqcuvvs2.png)
in the last ones i can add what i was planning the next page to be. hopefully. haha.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/titoComic04_edit_zpswh2vgxkt.png)
and with this page i finish the rough sketches of my intro comic
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Wanted to update the status of the comic.
I have inked all pages and have begun coloring. I stopped posting the pics here because I dont want to spoil the intro comic :P
But, it's coming along well. I should probably have it done by the end of the week! My plan was to have it done by yesterday but as I began coloring and adding chat bubbles, I found some mistakes in the inking and unfinished pieces that i had overlooked.
Also, I have updated the bio: (updated 3/15)
Name: Tito Generico
Luchador Name: El Codorniz Colorado (The Red Quail)
Height: 6'0"
Weight: 220 lbs.
Age: 27
Occupation: Luchador
Friendly, sociable, at times oblivious and happily ignorant, Tito finds little to complain about. Not even the condition (Hypermobility Syndrome) he was born with.
As a child, his escape from reality was watching wrestling on television and in person. It was love at first sight. So much so that it became an unhealthy obsession (with psychological effects) and a life goal to become a wrestler. At age 22, the dream had finally come true.
Tito was vigorously trained by Mexican Luchadores for 5 years during which he was a fan-favorite jobber (wrestler who routinely loses). Even so, he still doesn’t understand a word of Spanish. In fact, he is under the impression that his luchador name, given by his first promoter, means The Silver Hawk. He is very proud of it.
As a wrestler with immeasurable resilience, exceptional durability, and hypermobility, he quickly became the go-to Jobber in the wrestling industry. He is particularly proud of his glorious man-bun and had a luchador mask specifically crafted to house the beautiful bun and leave it unscathed after every match. Due to the mask's unusual shape, and his unearthly pain-tolerance leaving his body nice and red after almost every single match, he earned the work name El Codorniz Colorado.
He sports a “LUCHA” tattoo across his right shoulder which is the symbol of a prestigious Lucha Guild. Luchadores Unidos Con Honor y Amistad (Luchadores United Coinciding with Honor and Amity).
Non-Recorded Psychological Evaluation:
• Perceives the world as a giant wrestling arena.
• Tends to see those he focuses on as a luchadores. (Mostly noticeable during confrontations.)
• Rarely removes mask. Claims that it is part of him.
Mask Anatomy:
• Yellow symbolizes immortality, optimism and cheerfulness.
• Blue/Turquoise symbolizes loyalty, integrity, and clarity of mind (ironic?)
• The colors also represent the California quail.
• Conical Cap symbolizes the quail’s plume (and houses Tito’s man-bun)
• Trim: Bird-like features that symbolize the quail.
“When I put on the mask, I'm transformed. The mask gives me strength. The mask gives me fame. The mask is magical. When I remove the mask, I'm a normal human who can walk right by you, and not even get a "hello". Usually with the mask on, everything is positive. Without the mask I'm a normal being who has his problems, who cries, who sometimes suffers… And this human being sometimes sacrifices a lot to give the this other identity life” – El Hijo del Santo
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I like the 2006 "Special" vibe coming off his bio
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So I had no idea what it is you meant so I looked it up and it's an Indy film I had never heard of! Reading the synopsis I kind of really want to see this movie! haha. Also I can see where you get the vibe!
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Just wanna say your lucha-crazed character is really cool, and potentially really funny. When we get our intros approved should totally have a battle! (Don't worry, I'll wear a mouthguard!) Lookin' forward to the rest of your comic!
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ahh thanks! if there is one thing I've noticed from my intro comic, is that most of his true persona is not reflected in it. But it involves a story that needs to be told (imo) and that I want to be told.
You character looks awesome too btw! I would be honored and scared shitless to battle you. Haha. (I'm still learning to comic).
GL on the approval! I should have mine submitted by the end of the week!
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/comissfoley01/beer_zpso82hhsu4.jpg)
still working on the drawing and the hands. especially that thumb. but im super proud of how my beer came out!