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Community => News & Events => Topic started by: PyrasTerran on Aug 22, 2015, 12:50 PM
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Using a poll to decide the next tournament proved to be a big success with the Pretty Princess death tournament, so we're doing it again here!
NOTE: In order to get a better read on what ideas you the members are most keen on, you are allowed to choose two options in the poll.
Here's the breakdown of each idea in case you're curious:
Monster Mash
A death tournament made up of classic monsters; Bring out your vampires, werewolves, mummies, lake monsters, aliens and anything inbetween for a bloody brawl
Wrestling
Pro-Wrestling, Lucha Libre, Sumo, you name it, they're all welcome in this tourney; anyone's character can apply for this tournament, but they must follow the spirit of their selection; bring out your best trash talking for your pro-wrestling match, or in a lucha libre fight you MUST wear your warrior's mask, etc.
King of the Monsters
A kaiju-sized death tournament to see who is the greatest giant monster of them all! Puny human-sized citizens, head for the hills
Speed Shipping Tournament
What if this character and that character got together? Explore the possibilities, no strings attached, in this tournament where every battle must depict a shipping of the fighters involved
Urban Legend
To celebrate mothman, chupacabra and other weird things in the world (think Welcome to Night Vale), the urban myths of Void City have come out to play in this mysterious & creepy death tournament. Which one will be left to unnerve Void City?
Scar/Healing Tournament
Time to fight for the chance for a clean slate with your character design. The grand prize will erase the scars your character has collected from scar battles. Obviously only characters with scars can apply. But there's a twist: Each battle is itself a scar match! Will you risk further disfigurement for the chance to make it all go away?
A Muppet enterVoid Tournament
All the characters that participate in this tournament have been turned into Muppets! What more do you want?
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Well these are some wonderful options to say the least,
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My question is for the non death/scar options, are people allowed to make new characters? As well, I really feel like an invitational should be on there to encourage new people to join
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COME ON WRESTLERS, AND MONSTER MASH! ...AND SHIPPING I would play in that one too lol
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GPS-Device: I'm not sure at the moment about intro-comic-less new characters for the non-death/scar tournaments but you ARE welcome to try making a new one if you're in good standing, of course. I think this question is probably more prevalent for the wrestling option, which DOES allow you to use existing characters as well
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a lot of the details about like new characters and intro stories and stuff will likely be hammered out depending on what tourney gets picked
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Dang it, accidentally only voted on one. Meant to vote for Monster Mash too.
Also, I had no idea there were mofr than 4 active fighters with scars. That'll put asses in seats.
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are you people on crack, and think every bad idea is a good idea?
edit: That was a little too harsh. Two of these are decent, and thank god they're the ones in the lead
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Honestly, I would just love a regular ol' Speed Death Tournament. Just fun where you can enter whatever instead of some sorta niche themed tourney.
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It's the biggest draw, by far, and even gets new people in. I don't see why Void WOULDN'T do one. It's asinine.
An Invitational would also be great.
Think with your brains, people, not your Tumblr
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I really back another King Of Monsters tournament, but I'm also a sucker for a classic SDT (even though it ain't listed).
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I think it might be a good idea to say when the tournament would be held, so that the people voting right now will know whether or not they will actually be able to apply. It would suck for a bunch of people wanting to sign up for one thing, then they can't do it and less people participate because it's all people who voted for other things.
Gonna add my votes, but am also wondering "why no regular SDT" and "what about invitationals?"
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no regular SDT because of SRT. it is held almost every year, we will have it again. there is currently nothing stopping users from making their own SDT!
I don't think it's a secret that healing tourney is my idea. yes I'm aware it's entirely exclusive to the few with scars (my own character does not have a scar) but, with things like scar healing and resurrection, it's my hope that people will not be afraid to use scar and death matches outside of special tournies with throw-away characters. for more details on it, the matches would be scar matches, with the losers coming out more scarred and the winner healed. high risk, high reward!
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no regular SDT because of SRT. it is held almost every year, we will have it again. there is currently nothing stopping users from making their own SDT!
Two things:
1: No SDT because of SRT? That makes little to no sense. So, you can't have a tourney open to everyone because the last tourney was one open to only the few with dead characters? We can't have two tourneys with three initials in the same year? What?
2: there hasn't been a standard SDT since 2011. So no, it's certainly be a goddamn while, not "almost every year"
So, I guess doing the most popular thing that would do the best for the site is NOT what the mods want. Cool. A+.
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again, you can make your own. we did it last year, it shouldn't be hard since there's so many people that want it. they'd be happy to post it. I don't make the rules so don't get snippy with me please, I'm just stating why.
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Okay, but then, tell me, who did write the rules so I can be snippy at them instead?
And about making my own: Sure, I could do that, and people would join, but then the "official" tourney would happen to, overlapping probably, and splitting the users who would do either one. It dilutes everything.
EDIT: looking into it, the other SRT we had was proceded by King of Monsters, so, you know, you CAN have an srt and sdt in the same year, lookit that.
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And about making my own: Sure, I could do that, and people would join, but then the "official" tourney would happen to, overlapping probably, and splitting the users who would do either one. It dilutes everything.
More battles is a good thing.
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they don't happen very often right? so, overlap shouldn't be a problem.
KoM is not an SDT, it is two week battles.
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That's why you can message the mods and get help setting it up, so we're in communication that you want to do it, and preventing any overlaps from happening. You have to message mods to do it anyway, and we're not going to reject it outright just because it's a death tourney you wanna make on your own.
the past few years after 2011 had themed SDTs, Murderfest being the most recent one. 2013 had Prettiest Princess by popular vote, and Miller stretched it from 2011 to 2012. With those, having an SDT in the same year wouldn't be right.
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It was a themed death tourney. How can you say it wasn't? The characters DIED.
And yes, Dawg, more battles are great, but this place isn't like it was years ago. There aren't the same amount of people here to do both with a good turn out for either.
And the point is, from talking around, people want a NON THEMED SDT. We want something that is varied and wont limit us, and it hasn't happened since god damn 2011.
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I can say that because Speed Death Tourney means one week battles. KoM did not have that. was it a themed death tourney? yes. was it an SDT? no. murderfest did not have a theme to speak of.
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I feel that having a themed tournament would kind of limit your options, being as there's such a problem with people being active. Like, I do think Monster Mash is charming, but I don't feel like I would go for any of the others-- and it's not like the ideas are bad or anything!
It's just, making a tournament so specifically themed, like Muppets, really limits who will join (someone may love Muppets and hate Monsters for example, or someone may love Urban Legends but hate Muppets, and so that's two more potential people possibly lost). Then, if too few people join, the tournament will be kind of a flop-- which is why Qyz making his own tournament would cause problems too, because then it'll divide and detract.
It's why I second the notion of a no-intro-comic non-specifically-themed tourney-- death or not-- because that's instantly accessible to anyone-- including those who aren't in VOID yet.
Also: I feel like the jokes for ones so specifically themed, like Muppets, would fall flat and become stale after too little time has passed.
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The only people saying anything are ones who had previously abandoned the site, and only came back to participate in a death tournament. It literally just ended not very long ago.
You have to understand, that can't be the activity that sustains the site, and it can't be the crowd getting catered to, right? You were around at the time when a bunch of SDTs were done. People got burnt out on them very quickly. They aren't some automatic saving grace. They can get boring. New things are being considered.
Personally, I'm not fond of the the list, and I'm bummed that wrestling is winning, but there's a couple of wacky ideas, a couple of unique ideas, and a classic idea. That's really not something to poo-poo all over. Neither is having to wait at least another few months.
Also, people come back for tourneys. It doesn't need to only be active people. Look at KoV and QoV, those were two tournaments side by side, and did fine. 16 - 32 people split up between 2 tournaments is not that unrealistic.
Having said all of that, I am not against an SDT at all. It could be fun. Though, I don't understand the aura it's kept.
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Then, if too few people join, the tournament will be kind of a flop-- which is why Qyz making his own tournament would cause problems too, because then it'll divide and detract.
A small tournament is not a flop, it's just a small tournament. I don't think any of these are being pitched as a Heavyweight/Invitational/Armageddon.
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I don't mind themed tourneys and I think they're fine. As a reader though it really has to be a specific theme that is interesting to me to be interested in reading the comics, not to mention participate. I kind of see both sides of the coin here though.
I can understand wanting to do themed events, they have been just as much of a VOID staple as SDT and other non-themed events over the years. I think it is great to do them and it's fun for people to get involved and try out new themes (unless you are picky like me haha). I also see the flip side in that a themed event is limiting, not only for the readers but also for the artists involved as well. I think the theme of prettiest princess worked so well because the theme of a princess can still allow for a lot of flexibility. Your princess isn't tied down to just one specific job, role, or idea - it is more of a title thing really than anything else.
I think in that regards themes like the Monster Mash is probably a really good idea for a theme as it is very broad. You can pick and pull from multiple mythologies, and all of their horrible, spoopy creations. Sentai tourney was one that I am sad I missed out on because again you can take that concept and go into very different directions with it. The only themes I see here that would really allow that kind of flexibility again is the Monster Mash and really you could almost combine that with Urban Legends to just make it one theme as sometimes the two overlap, as well as to a lesser extent King of The Monsters.
I am gonna continue this post also saying that this is all just my personal preferences, I'm not claiming in any way to be an expert on this.
Personally I have no real interest in the wrestling one, mostly due to bias, but a bunch of wrestling comics wouldn't really interest me. However if we extended that out to a more general "street fighter" esque direction that included multiple fighting styles and make it an all out brawler based comic from all walks that'd be more interesting to me. Also even don't make the brawling portion a requirement either - there are so many good stories that could be told about ex-fighters or even fledglings before they got their start. The wrestling one makes it sound like you -need- to fight. The less limits on a tourney I think the better. Fatigue can set in real quick and doing the same comic round after round might end up becoming stale for the artist especially on a tight deadline.
The other ideas I am not too keen on myself. Speed Shipping tournament is more or less easily summed up in the jam thread about shipping. I don't see it really going anywhere beyond what ifs that could be explored easily in regular comics in a much more natural way. I think forcing everyone to pair up with their opponent isn't a very fun premise when it happens lots anyway on the site. Although that said, my logic here could really apply to any subject matter, I just don't like this one I guess. The Scar/Healing tournament doesn't really sound like it'd amount to much since I am not sure how frequent scars have really occurred lately and how many active participants it'd actually be able to bring in. For that reason I am gonna have to say to avoid that one (sorry!).
The muppet one I strangely have a strong disdain for. Since day one we have said here on VOID not to do fanart comics, or the like. We wouldn't see Dragon Ball Z : The Tournament on here and so I am going to object to muppets as well as a tournament idea. I get we all reference things here and there in our comics (hell, everyone knows I fucking aped and made fun of Dragon Ball in my round 1 SRT fight) but doing a full on comic as that thing isn't very appealing to me.
I think maybe the ideas in here should be scrapped and started over as more broader, general themes. We'd get more interesting characters and ideas I think out of something like that. Keep a theme and expect people to adhere to the general idea, but lack the strict restrictions on what that is and I think you'd get a much more successful themed tournament. Or we could even alternatively experiment again with the artist battle styled tournaments again, but I only say that because that lines up more with my own personal interests at this point of my life (I just like seeing the non VOID specific works of artists I like from here).
So for that reason I am just gonna vote Monster Mash and the Urban Legend tourney only because, like I said, you can combine the two and make it interesting. The rest don't really appeal to me as far as a broader spectrum goes (and here I am speaking as if I am gonna join lol). Otherwise I think a non themed tourney is just as well.
Sorry if any of this comes across as rude. Whatever you guys choose I am sure there will be people to have a blast with it!!
edit: or alternatively do a no theme event. Not sure if I got that across too, but that's the other idea I'd be fine with. My very first foray into the site was in an SDT hah.
editedit: or just do sentai again I'll come do that one I promise.
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The only people saying anything are ones who had previously abandoned the site, and only came back to participate in a death tournament. It literally just ended not very long ago.
You have to understand, that can't be the activity that sustains the site, and it can't be the crowd getting catered to, right? You were around at the time when a bunch of SDTs were done. People got burnt out on them very quickly. They aren't some automatic saving grace. They can get boring. New things are being considered.
Personally, I'm not fond of the the list, and I'm bummed that wrestling is winning, but there's a couple of wacky ideas, a couple of unique ideas, and a classic idea. That's really not something to poo-poo all over. Neither is having to wait at least another few months.
Also, people come back for tourneys. It doesn't need to only be active people. Look at KoV and QoV, those were two tournaments side by side, and did fine. 16 - 32 people split up between 2 tournaments is not that unrealistic.
Having said all of that, I am not against an SDT at all. It could be fun. Though, I don't understand the aura it's kept.
It's such a horrible list of ideas, it's hard not to argue against it. An SDT is an infinitely better idea than any of these, and I think that's the biggest reason it was brought up.
In all honesty, despite my arguing about having an SDT over those other ideas, i think the best choice would be an Invitational. Get more people now, and follow it up with neat stuff lined up for next year to keep the people around.
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It's why I second the notion of a no-intro-comic non-specifically-themed tourney-- death or not-- because that's instantly accessible to anyone-- including those who aren't in VOID yet.
murderfest (a player made tourney) and KoM (an official, non sdt tourney) did not require intros for new characters.
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Technically speaking, an invitational is all newbies, so it could happen in addition to any of the choices listed. It wouldn't really make it onto this list, right? It would be really cool to see it happen again regardless, when/if it does.
As for the prompts, I didn't think about it too much past reading them and thinking what I could do with it, but I pretty much agree that some of them are more restrictive than others - at the same time I think limitations can be massive gateways into creativity.
I do agree that if a 'street fighter' option was up there instead of wrestling, I would have voted for it instantaneously, but I will also enjoy reading wrestler comics. Broader topics is also something I can get behind, but I also think that if people are voting now, then it's because they want it. All of the options have votes, unless people are voting "ironically" then there's some interest there even if others feel it's not viable.
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Technically speaking, an invitational is all newbies, so it could happen in addition to any of the choices listed. It wouldn't really make it onto this list, right? It would be really cool to see it happen again regardless, when/if it does.
Fair point, you are correct, and I concede to that. Thank you for bringing that up.
Still would like it to happen though c:
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It's such a horrible list of ideas, it's hard not to argue against it. An SDT is an infinitely better idea than any of these, and I think that's the biggest reason it was brought up.
I don't agree, but, I've been REALLY down on all death matches for a while. I would prefer scars in its place. Give me a Scarmageddon or a Speed Scarring Tournament over SDT any day.
I personally would love Monster Mash, though, I would much prefer it as an artist tourney. Actually, I would prefer most death themed tournaments as that, I think.
In all honesty, despite my arguing about having an SDT over those other ideas, i think the best choice would be an Invitational. Get more people now, and follow it up with neat stuff lined up for next year to keep the people around.
I do agree, sorta. Invitational is always good, but it's probably too big for this slot, and too short of notice. Unless we did as Mint mentioned and specifically open up a smaller one of these to new people. Void doesn't have a strong word of mouth, though.
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Broader topics is also something I can get behind, but I also think that if people are voting now, then it's because they want it. All of the options have votes, unless people are voting "ironically" then there's some interest there even if others feel it's not viable.
Oh to make it clear, I don't disagree with this either and sorry if I made it sound that way hah! I was definitely just playing on my own personal opinion of the event ideas in that whole segment. If people want wrestling, I say give them wrestling. There is always other ways people can make events/tournies on their own as well if people want alternatives and that was -never- in question and has happened many times in the past.
I think all in all, just give the people what they want as long as it gets people making comics.
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Hi, just thought I'd toss my two cents in here, uh.. If so many people would rather have an SDT or any other thing, why not just go ahead and start one up? I mean, that's what they're saying to do, Qyzex, so just do it. Maybe nobody will show up for the one that gets picked here, but it'll be a win for the artists, and a win for the readers. This poll was just somebody's idea to get something going, and if the thing it got going ends up being something not on this list of options, so be it, I say.
I'm doing Game Night, so odds are I won't be able to participate in whatever comes out of this poll, but as someone who's gonna be reading all these comics, I'm all for the tourney being the best possible thing, and that'll only happen if everyone involved is really enthusiastic about the topic.
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I'm doing Game Night, so odds are I won't be able to participate in whatever comes out of this poll
You just might actually; any tournament that comes out of this poll would likely have a fall/mid-fall start
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I personally would love Monster Mash, though, I would much prefer it as an artist tourney.
Please. Artist battle monster mash-ish tourney. Artist battles.
I will do this and live out the dream of crunching out stupid amounts of pages in a week of all original content because I suck at getting motivated right now unless its SUPER TOURNEY TIME it seems. I need the kickstarts to get me going and this would be one thing site-wise I could -reaaaaaalllyyy- get into :D
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Settle it in Smash.
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like I stated in my first post here, SDT will happen! it's certainly not gone forever, that's why it's not on the list- it'll happen regardless of whatever gets picked here. the goal for this isn't to replace it. I believe it was said when SRT was going up, but SDT was put on hold for it. this was only the second SRT ever, and I think it had a great turn out.
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I'm doing Game Night, so odds are I won't be able to participate in whatever comes out of this poll
You just might actually; any tournament that comes out of this poll would likely have a fall/mid-fall start
While that seems inconvenient for anyone here who goes to school, I'll definitely keep an eye on it then.
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Personally, I love the urban legend one. But rustlin' is fine too. Can go all kinnikuman on that shit.
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Eeeh, I'm not really partial to any of the options on the list. I'd be happy with an SDT, but the scar healer tourney would be my preferred only because it would work for my own character's goals. That wouldn't bring in extra traffic though, so new SDT all the way or an invitational or both.
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Regardless of the tournament selections and whether I like them or not, I'm disappointed that essentially none of them are aimed at attracting new membership in any format. These last two years hasn't had any real events that were aimed at towards everyone excluding (shockingly enough) that Short and Sweet thing. I would not include Murderfest in that, because it was essentially an invite-only. It also brought no new regular staying members from it to the site. I'm pretty sure one of them left forever also, but that's a whole other thing.
I want some kind of event that can be used to draw in everyone, not just a bunch of theme tournaments. Invitational is the obvious example and most successful example of bringing people in and keeping them around, but even if not the Invitational, I just want some kind of tournament that has more universal appeal and is not just a theme that only a handful of people want to see happen, because most of these things shouldn't be a tournament. They all strike me as being something more in line with Battle Royale/Game Night style where the appeal is only going to be sustainable for a round.
I don't think it's a secret that healing tourney is my idea. yes I'm aware it's entirely exclusive to the few with scars (my own character does not have a scar) but, with things like scar healing and resurrection, it's my hope that people will not be afraid to use scar and death matches outside of special tournies with throw-away characters. for more details on it, the matches would be scar matches, with the losers coming out more scarred and the winner healed. high risk, high reward!
Also, I really have to comment on this, because the Healing Tournament just reads out to me as Diet SRT. There's even less people who can enter since we don't have years and years of Speed Scar Tournaments and active characters who lost scar matches. In addition, of those who can enter, how many of them actually want to enter and/or will be capable of entering when the time goes up? The current list of active characters who lost scar matches isn't truthful as a result. I know in my case I wouldn't be interested in entering because personally I like Andre's scars and I know people who share that sentiment for their own characters and wouldn't want them healed. Certainly my position and opinion doesn't make me the end all be all on this, but if I know a few of the active characters don't want to lose their scars, it makes the option unrealistic.
This isn't to say I'm against having another scar tournament to perhaps help build up that base, but the fact is unless somehow you hunted down every eligible person and got them to join in, you will need either another Scarmageddon or some other 'scar' tournament to even try and fulfill the basic requirements of people for this tournament. If you're just hoping to promote more scar and death matches among the users, you should A. do something else to have more scar and death tournaments and/or B. put your own characters up on the block first so there's more people capable of doing it.
Clearly whatever event the majority votes on will go through, but it's disheartening to see so little attention paid to the newer members and the members that have not yet joined in favor of more these kinds of events. While I would rather have seen the SDT, Invitational, Heavyweight Tournament, Battle Royale, Tag Tournament, and/or Other on the polls, I guess these are just what's ultimately happening next regardless.
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Since our hands are being slapped away every time we reach out for an SDT, let me suggest some event ideas that don't fucking suck.
Doing some kind of artist match tourney would be ages better, and be able to take ANYONE regardless if they're a fighter on the site or not. Backgrounds only tourney? That'd be super dope.
want to include the most people you possibly can, new and old? Welcome Wagon tourney. Half vets, half newcomers, and have them battle it out.
Like Eric said, if you REALLY want your scar healing stuff, make more scars. Another Scarmageddon. Speed Scar Tourney if you want tourney style rather than royale style.
Also, would anyone be interested in a Communism-style SDT? You enter a character, and if selected for the SDT, you're randomly given one of the submitted characters to use for the tourney? I think that'd make an interesting, albeit smaller SDT
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Let me frank, I shall abstain from voting as I find the choices for the tournaments rather uninspired, but not necessarily bad ones. Speaking as an artist who wants to improve both his storytelling abilities and his art, I would have liked to see more choices.
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Credit to PocketMouse for helping come up with this idea:
Plot-trade Tourney
Artist tourney, start off with whatever you want in the first round. Winners who move on are then randomly assigned to continue the plot that was started by another artist in the first round. This continues to the finals. This would encourage people to read every comic in the tourney, while also trying to work off of other's stories. I dunno, sounded cool to me.
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Maybe I'm not the right person to be saying this or maybe I'm exactly the right one to be doing so, I'm not sure but I have some things I feel I should elaborate on about this. It's been obvious this site has had better days with more active members, more comics going on and maybe even a better environment, but it's been fairly inactive and partially inhospitable for newcomers for a multitude of reasons. There doesn't seem to be much for us to do (there's obviously comics but people like to participate in events) and it's hard for newcomers to feel accepted or even wanted in a community that takes so much pride in being exclusive and venerated. From what I've heard, Invitationals seem to always grab a few more and that seems like something this site desperately needs. I'm not against doing more tournaments, but I am against people not understanding why something is happening and refusing to see the answer. So again, these tournaments are fine but if an invitational were up there, it would have had my vote.
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Maybe I'm not the right person to be saying this or maybe I'm exactly the right one to be doing so, I'm not sure but I have some things I feel I should elaborate on about this. It's been obvious this site has had better days with more active members, more comics going on and maybe even a better environment, but it's been fairly inactive and partially inhospitable for newcomers for a multitude of reasons. There doesn't seem to be much for us to do (there's obviously comics but people like to participate in events) and it's hard for newcomers to feel accepted or even wanted in a community that takes so much pride in being exclusive and venerated. From what I've heard, Invitationals seem to always grab a few more and that seems like something this site desperately needs. I'm not against doing more tournaments, but I am against people not understanding why something is happening and refusing to see the answer. So again, these tournaments are fine but if an invitational were up there, it would have had my vote.
I like this guy.
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I agree, we need more Invitationals. Perhaps on a semi-annual basis.
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Another invitational will happen at some point, but it is only a bandaid for getting more activity. It's just not something that we should be doing yearly. I want to again remind people that if they are unhappy with the events that are listed, they are free to make their own events. I get being frustrated when the site doesn't do something you want, and when that happens, take things into your own hands. Come to the mods with a proposal of what you want to do. Reach out to new people that just joined the site and see if you can come up with something fun for them to do. While you need the mods to get the event live on the site, you don't need us to make fun things happen. The community as a whole plays a part in making new people feel welcome and everyone should step up their game.
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If it wasn't clear enough, SDT will happen, as well as invitational, its just not happening in the fall/mid-fall season.
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sorry yall hate my idea so much! I'm actually sorry yall hate my idea. I've been hearing criticism of it for months now, so none of this is news to me. "SRT-lite" is exactly what it is, thanks. I wanted it to be a direct companion to SRT. if death can be reversed, why not a scar? doesn't seem that wacky.
I can appreciate that it's not last though, so maybe I'll keep gunning for it in the future. seeing that there is some actual interest from others gives me some hope, and since it won't be happening for a while there's plenty of time to work out the bugs!
I will say, for people that want to welcome in new people, you guys aren't creating a very welcoming environment. I've been doing my best to remain polite, even when personal friends are directing their vitriol at me and others for no reason. so, I dunno. sorry I had a bad idea one time? like I said, plenty of time to make it viable now.
I also don't get the resistance to player made tournies. maybe it just needs to be advertised, so more people need to be aware that it's a possibility? does it sound like a difficult process to get one made?
If it wasn't clear enough, SDT will happen, as well as invitational, its just not happening in the fall/mid-fall season.
sorry I didn't seem to get this across either.
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I also don't get the resistance to player made tournies. maybe it just needs to be advertised, so more people need to be aware that it's a possibility? does it sound like a difficult process to get one made?
Do they get set up as official tournaments? Of the three secret tournaments I set up only one ever got enough interest to actually run it, and I put that down to them not being 'official'.
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the themes suggested give me the impression to be mainly fun oriented tournaments... i chose speed shipping cause i love some romance now and then and monster mash since.... who doesnt love monsters? haha
its pretty simple isnt it. if there are opinions that these are not the best choices plan other ideas.
one could be a regular vote with a suggestion thread opened beforehand, idea submission limited to a certain amount of time like one week.
this way the members can throw in all kinds of ideas and diskussions like this might be off the table right at the beginning.
the voting should be enabled to spread out the preferences. with lots of suggestions its hard to pick only two. but pick the half of suggestions you would support. with enough voters this might result in a good display of the communitys voice.
i still want to add my thoughts on the invitational topic.
my impression is this. a majority of the community supports the idea of an invitational event. the reasons are obvious and undeniable. syraxis made a good argument.
a concrete setup for ongoing invitational tournaments would be at least something to refer to. also something to be promoted properly beforehand since there would be a guarantee for it.
how about a a 2 or 3 year invitational series. they are undeniable important. they have their drawbacks but all in all work as catalysts.
like all famous tournaments it might be wise to implement them as traditions. even if they get cancelled in some years due to lack of participation. its something that might be worth consideration in effort to listen to the members and value those voices.
if something seems to be misunderstood again and again make it official. make it referable. make it clear so there is something unquestionable about certain topics
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There's resistance because people would rather complain and do nothing than to take matters into their own hands. It's a little disheartening, but it's something we've all been guilty of. But, that's how any tournament gets started. Whether if it's coming from behind the scenes or not.
There's also no labels for these things anymore. A tournament is a tournament. They're not going to be "unofficial".
This whole conversation is pretty funny, though, considering all of these things are in the works, and even more. Too bad some people only see in present-tense.
There doesn't seem to be much for us to do (there's obviously comics but people like to participate in events) and it's hard for newcomers to feel accepted or even wanted.
This is something I've battled with Void for a long, long time. It's recently just improved a lot, but there's always going to be elitists, and there will always be "old boy" clubs. Hell, even some of these everyman posts stink of both of these.
This isn't really a case of that, though. Pretty sure any small tournament like these are opened up new people.
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this might not work for every mentioned idea. but wouldnt it be smart to give the option to open every smaller tournament up. make any tournament, especially artist tournaments a invitational if wanted?
maybe its worth the effort to establish a promotion plan for invitational/open tournaments
and as for given newcomers a hearty welcome and a feel of being wanted. thats something everybody has to try on their own. it has to be clear what behaviour is asked of us. but a member is a person and a person has their own ways. lets hope we will continue to draw more encouraging people and in a similar amount productive people.
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There's very rarely a tournament not open to new people, or veteran exclusive. Heavyweight? SRT? That's probably it? All you would need is a character. There used to be a 2 battle minimum required, but I don't think that's the case anymore?
Artist tournaments for newcomers might be good, but people setting that up would have to know the results could reflect poorly on them.
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i´m aware tournaments are open usually and not vetinary exclusive. i was more refering to the option of making them like invitational tournaments. with no classic character aproving process
but yeah a character based tournament is problematic in terms of open for newcomers.
what i meant is open to people with out former involvement and no character. but i see the issue there.
what exactly do you mean with reflection on them? by the tournament founders or combatants?
the proplem i see is the default rate... but seriously that is something you have to deal with in an invitiational tourney setup.
i fell for that trap with clio back then. i know exactly how easy it is to get in and disappoint. but again. the point is to draw new members. its better to accept defaults in this time period than to avoid the possiblity alltogether.
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Yeah, most our events are open to whoever. We admittedly did do a few more events in the last year or two that were more exclusive. But keep in mind
-Events that welcome all are necessary to give new people a chance to jump in and have fun.
-Events that are very exclusive and only let certain people in are also necessary. We went years without any actual events that were more exclusive, which made them feel less special. I remember when I joined Void, it was like an all time goal of mine to participate in Armageddon. At the time, events were significantly more special and difficult to get into. (this was also during a period where Void was VERY active and battles had 60+ votes a piece. This was also when Void was very difficult to get into, I got declined 3 times in the approvals) So there needs to be events where people feel rewarded for doing a good job. You can't play unless you worked your butt off and we need these small rewards to encourage people to do their best.
We just need to have a good balance of both types of events and should be more aware of when we're doing too many of either. If we have too many open events that let everyone in, the people that try hard don't feel as motivated to get into the really cool stuff. But if we have too many exclusive events for veterans, we alienate the new people. I think it's something we should really look into and pay extra attention to in 2016.
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what exactly do you mean with reflection on them? by the tournament founders or combatants?
the proplem i see is the default rate...
The founders. With an artist tourney, we would have no reference of how good or reliable the people coming in are (unless they provided samples? which, that could honestly put this entire thought to rest), we'd be relying on people setting it up in this case. All tournaments are going to have defaults or incompletes, a few of those isn't a problem. If they happen a lot, it would. I was more so thinking about quality as a whole. What if a bunch of artists are brought in that normally wouldn't be approved, for instance.
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"You don't like what we're doing, whatever, make it yourself. I mean, we won't do it, even though we're the mods and should be doing what's best for the site we're modding, but nah, fuck that."
That's how you all sound. That's you.
"We don't see the validity of your opinions, so instead of considering them for official tournies, do it yourself"
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Your point doesnt help when you started outright insulting the people in charge at the start of the thread, Qyz. There's frustration, but then there's pettiness. Your approach from the very beginning was rude and passive aggressive without any warning, which, in any community, would make people less likely to take you more seriously. If the passive aggressive approach doesn't work, you work on an approach that will.
There are new mods on the site, and I personally listen to both positive and negative feedback. I take into consideration about concerns and do my best to report them to the mods to better help the community get what they want. Charlie, Jules, mortoocian, and others did express their two cents far more appropriately, why couldn't you?
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You want me to pull my punches? Why should I, in this instance? Either way, you're not going to listen to me. You'll not listen to the polite ones either.
You can all say you listen, but until people see results, it's like we're talking to a bunch of walls. This isn't an instance of a bunch of people demanding an SDT or Invitational, we're expressing the importance of it, and how much it's needed. However, we are also expressing how much we hate the options you're giving us to vote on, and we're asking for better options. You're offering us shit, but when we ask for something good, you tell us to go make it ourselves, while you still push shit down our throats. How is that benefiting ANYONE on the site?
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"You don't like what we're doing, whatever, make it yourself. I mean, we won't do it, even though we're the mods and should be doing what's best for the site we're modding, but nah, fuck that."
That's how you all sound. That's you.
"We don't see the validity of your opinions, so instead of considering them for official tournies, do it yourself"
Do you realize how YOU sound?
If you would read and interact instead of bitch for the sake of bitching, maybe you would have seen people say multiple times that what you want is coming (both things! and more!), and actually coming soon. I don't understand what you are trying to accomplish here, besides trying to shit all over people for having ideas. You're literally on this weird campaign for nothing. If you can't wait a few months, then yes, do it yourself. It shouldn't be this big of a deal. It's a fucking comic site for fun.
You're one of my best friends, so it's extra depressing me to see you do this kind of stuff. We just rid the site of a tyranical bigot, man. We really don't need another.
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Okay, my main issue with this whole thread is this.
This is a vote for the next tournament thread. People are saying what they'd like the next tournamentto be. But rather than say, adding an option for them to vote, instead you tell them do it ourselves. I'll say it, its making me kinda pissed off. Sure, Colin is rude, and he can handle himself better, but I'm getting to the point reading this that I'm having a very hard time not taking the same attitude.
And I dont understand why an invitational is a bandaid option? The most successful tournament i can think of is the 2012 invitational, which last i checked, sure as hell doesnt sound like its happening yearly. It had a massive turnout, and had a massive amount of artists stick around and continue doing comics, which should in my opinion, be the point of an event. It should be to bring in as many people as possible and get them jumpstarted on working! Hell, me, taylor, and Nuthin are all entrants in the last invitational. The site was way more active for at least a year and a half afterwards.
And the reason I think the "do it yourself" argument is stupid, is because it doesnt help. An event is supposed to show a sense of community, something to look at and make people go, I want to be a part of that. If half the site goes FUCK YOU and the other half goes with a tournament only a small portion of people voted for, it makes the community seem cliquey and unapproachable. The last big event was something that only vets could participate in, and thats why I'm personally pushing so hard for something that can include new people. Its true we need a good balance, and I feel like that'd be it, but it has to be something the community can agree upon, because its the only way it wont turn into a steaming pile of shit.
We need to be able to work together, and promote. Even I know thats what made the 2012 invitational so succesful. It got promoted out the ass, and had the community behind it, with the welcome wagon ready to go challenging new people whenever they lost a round, to make sure they'd have a reason to stick around.
I dont see anything like that happening with one of these themed events. Of course the people who vote for it will want in, but if the option you didnt want doesnt make it in, i dont know how many people would really join for ones that didnt even make their top two. I feel like the themed idea is just too niche, and turns itself into a pseudo exclusive event just by guaranteeing from its theme people wont want to participate.
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Options could definitely be added, and I think it was being considered. We just have to reset the poll each time, so it'd be better to wait for more, right?
And invitational is a bandaid because it's only temporary new people, it's not sustained. The majority don't stick around. So, it doesn't exactly do what people claim.
That promotion is so much work, though. That's what people need to understand. It's like having a second job.
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I'm not trying to control anything, and i'm voicing an opinion. You of all people know when I speak out, I speak out loud and rudely.
The mods need more transparency. Right now, you say that what we want "is coming" but what does that even mean?
I personally feel that Void in the last year has started down the same path WFA did, and look at WFA now... it's GONE.
They had their tight little group, and it was hard for new people to join and feel like they belonged. And maybe it's me, but I see that same thing happening.
Don't confuse me shitting on mods as just being a shit and wanting to run this place. No, I would never want to run this place. However, I would like to see it do better, and listen to the people who want it to succeed and grow.
And forgive me for being the biggest bag of dicks in this thread, but I've had a shitty history with mods on this site, and I've had a history of being shit on by this site, so I am salty and it will show, so expect it.
I still think you're great Justin, and you're still one of my best friends. But because of that, I also expect you to know I wouldn't hold back my opinions.
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This thread is turning ad hominem and isn't good for anyone. If an Invitational will be coming, then that's great, that does right by me. I don't care if we have another SDT specifically now (or if we don't have one next year even). I just hope that in the next year we don't have a string of events that are so specialized and perhaps we could focus on something that other people could do. Queen of Void and King of Void was an option for everyone to do and I didn't take that into consideration, so apologies there.
sorry yall hate my idea so much! I'm actually sorry yall hate my idea. I've been hearing criticism of it for months now, so none of this is news to me. "SRT-lite" is exactly what it is, thanks. I wanted it to be a direct companion to SRT. if death can be reversed, why not a scar? doesn't seem that wacky.
It isn't wacky at all, you're absolutely right. If I offended you with that, I'm sorry, that's not my intention. My only issue with it is that I don't know if there's enough people who are able to do it. I think it could work if there was more characters with scars. When I said SRT-Lite, I'm referring less to the concept of reversing scars and more about how the pool for it is small and only applies to characters that are 'scarred'. I'm probably just being a little reactionary to it because of the Speed Resurrection Tournament only just happening (which makes this more of a timing issue than issue with the idea itself). But as of me writing this, there's definitely 10 people who voted for it, so if I could be easily wrong. Hell, you can always always make it a smaller Battle Royale with sub-8 members if it didn't reach those numbers for one reason or another. I'm only suggesting that a Speed Scar Tournament or some other tournament is made to help build up that base of people with scars before this one.
Also, since we're on the topic of player created tournament right now. I recognize I can do it myself, I know that better than anyone, but what I don't know, is that if I do my thing, am I allowed to have a sign up thread on the forum or do I have to go hunt for people on my own without the forum at my disposal? Do I have to go through the modboards to make it happen or do I just do it?
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In the future, would it be possible to open up a suggestions pool from the community also? Since there seems to be a lot of backlash happening, maybe we can try taking a suggestion from each member if they would like to provide one. The best options (read: most feasible and easily accessible by a large number of active members) out of those then go into the poll.
Also, maybe a forum post on how to set up your own tournament on the site if one doesn't already exist?
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@ Qyz: All we can say is it's coming because we don't have dates yet. Early next year? Some of the "and more" things are meant to be fun surprises. It's much more transparent than in the past, you should know that.
We don't want you to hold back! There's a difference between that and what you have been doing, though. And, you have to remember, the "mods" (we're not really mods) of the site are very different now. It's completely changed, and mostly for the better. There's no reason to be salty anymore. No one is against you like in the past. That was huge BS. HUGE BS. But, you don't want to poison the well. Don't turn new people against you because of the shit you dealt with in the past.
You are right about things. I've gone to bat for you about some of these things. I also agree Void isn't in the best place. But, a big reason for that is gone. It just has to recover now. Will it? I don't know. Void has more benefits going for it than WFA did. It won't just vanish. And, I think it's already better off now than it was a year ago. THAT was a mess.
It's a part of the reason the community is needed to help, and why we are trying to turn the site over more to the community.
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@ Rofl: I think this thread is very good actually. It got major hijacked, but it's probably something that needed to happen sooner or later.
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This entire thread for me has been like a traumatic child watching their parent have a fight.
(glad things seem to be getting resolved between one another though)
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Since our hands are being slapped away every time we reach out for an SDT, let me suggest some event ideas that don't fucking suck.
Doing some kind of artist match tourney would be ages better, and be able to take ANYONE regardless if they're a fighter on the site or not. Backgrounds only tourney? That'd be super dope.
want to include the most people you possibly can, new and old? Welcome Wagon tourney. Half vets, half newcomers, and have them battle it out.
Like Eric said, if you REALLY want your scar healing stuff, make more scars. Another Scarmageddon. Speed Scar Tourney if you want tourney style rather than royale style.
Also, would anyone be interested in a Communism-style SDT? You enter a character, and if selected for the SDT, you're randomly given one of the submitted characters to use for the tourney? I think that'd make an interesting, albeit smaller SDT
These are good ideas.
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In the future, would it be possible to open up a suggestions pool from the community also? Since there seems to be a lot of backlash happening, maybe we can try taking a suggestion from each member if they would like to provide one. The best options (read: most feasible and easily accessible by a large number of active members) out of those then go into the poll.
Also, maybe a forum post on how to set up your own tournament on the site if one doesn't already exist?
We have a suggestions thread, but for this sort of specific thing, I'll agree and say this would work as the best option for future ideas. I'll look into making one within this week.
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Oh you guys...
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Look, I don't appreciate being told I'm just wrong about something when I'm not, so I'm gonan do this. Here's a list of everyone who joined the site via the invitational, and went on to complete at least two comics or more outside of it. I will not include anyone who had a characetr prior, myself included, because I'm making a point.
1.(http://entervoid.com/images/fighters/1983/johnnypatchicon.png)
2.(http://entervoid.com/images/fighters/1997/New%20Icon.png)
3.(http://entervoid.com/index.php?action-character;id=1998)
4.(http://entervoid.com/images/fighters/2004/nyasuuav2.jpg)
5.(http://entervoid.com/images/fighters/2005/Mammon%20Sprite_animated.gif)
6.(http://entervoid.com/images/fighters/1990/avatar-Tsumi-moves.gif)
7.(http://entervoid.com/images/fighters/2011/jessie2013icon.png)
8.(http://entervoid.com/images/fighters/2012/andy%20icon.gif)
9.(http://entervoid.com/images/fighters/2015/Jule%20ava.jpg)
10.(http://entervoid.com/images/fighters/1989/180px-Castor.jpg)
11.(http://entervoid.com/images/fighters/1984/shirt%20icon.gif)
12.(http://entervoid.com/images/fighters/2025/jtoropix.jpg)
13.(http://entervoid.com/images/fighters/1985/GwenRegiIcon.jpg)
14.(http://entervoid.com/images/fighters/1982/hazeicon.png)
There. 14 out of 50 something people who joined. Everyone of them completed at least 2 comics outside of the invitational, many of whom stayed on the site for at least a year, if not more. I have not included anyone with a character prior to this event, such as myself and a couple others.
You wanna call it a band aid despite attracting more activity to the site than anything else since it, fine. Be that way. But don't just tell me I'm wrong without any evidence, because as is clear, I don't post a ton. I've been here for almost 4 years and only have less than 140 thread posts. When I talk, I talk from experience and evidence. Don't just tell me I'm wrong when I'm not. Because now I'm actually pissed off.
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To be honest, we are trying to turn a new leaf. I want VOID to be fun, for people to learn and enjoy themselves. There have been a few regrettable things that have happened that I am truly sorry about and quite embarrassed for. Some of the mods that took us down that path are gone now. Change doesn't happen overnight. We are trying to be more community oriented, hence the polls, and brining people on to think tank that are active in battles and the community.
I think the "do it yourself" response is coming off the wrong way. Please don't take it as something disrespectful because I know the people who said that don't mean it that way. I want people to come up with their own events if they want to. As long as they adhere to the core rules, then I love seeing new ideas.
as one of the troublesome mods you speak of, I honestly only try to uphold our few rules, take care of the behind the scenes stuff, and other than that I want to listen to our community. We aren't perfect and our ways aren't perfect, but we are trying. I agree that more transparency would be good, but honestly we only have very general ideas and nothing set in stone that we are trying to hide from anyone right now. All of the things about void appearing to be this closed off group and how that bad are things I agree with. But again, change can be slow.
And Roflqu, as for making your own events: yes, you can make your own sign up thread, just come to the mods first. We just want to review the rules of the event so they don't violate the void rules, and review the dates so there aren't any major conflicts with other people's tournmants. One thing to point out, in case you were thinking of it, if you wanted an SDT your entires would still need intro pages, like in Miller.
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But GPS That didn't refute Dawg's point though. He said that the majority don't stick around and that is true. One only needs to look at the ORIGINAL invitation that nobody ever brings up because as far as I can tell only like 2 or 3 of us from that one stuck around, and even then that wasn't my first character on the site. As fun as the invitational was and I do agree that we should hold them more often, they aren't the best at actually retaining members.
I think we all need to just chill out because all this drama is embarrassing.
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Yeah, it was never my intent to come across as "well fuck you do it yourself". I just wanted to make it clear to people that it's an option for everyone.
I think for the most part a lot of us need to back off from the thread and cool off. Things shouldn't be getting so personal in here. I've already heard from a few people that are afraid to speak up in here because they're afraid of being attacked. And that's not cool! I get being frustrated with the mods or being frustrated with things not happening that you want to happen. But it's important for all of us to realize that this is still just a website. Let's keep the discussion calm and friendly, because toxicity will get us nowhere and do nothing but make both sides defensive.
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Okay, but literally NO TOURNAMENT EVER keeps more than half of its participants, so just saying "Not the majority" is pointless. None of these tournaments will hold more than half their participants. The SRT didn't hold more than half its participants. The Prettiest Princess tournament sure as fuck didn't.
If the invitational is a Bandaid, then what the fuck do you call every other tournament?
I'm gonna try to stop talking in here, because like I said, I am getting really fucking angry about this shit right now, and I think I need some time to cool down.
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since when has the point of an Invitational been to "retain members"?
The point is bring in a bunch of new people. What happens after that is to keep them around.
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I don't even get what you are talking about, GPS. The invitational is the only tournament for bringing in new members. New people can't have dead characters.. so they couldn't join SRT.
And, it's not Qyz. That was just responding to people who said that it would help the site. It does, but it's only temporary, and won't help longterm problems.
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Since the beginning? It was made as a no barrier entry point to get people on to the site to make comics and hopefully stick around. It was almost like a free pass without going through the approval process, which scares a lot of people off. If the purpose wasn't to get people to stay then why was there such a blitz on focusing on having people stay during the last one? I have never ever argued against having an invitational and it should be clear that nobody is saying that we shouldn't have one. It was and still is a good idea.
GPS- I think the reason here is that we make the distinction about the invitational on the above criteria as opposed to other tournies which no matter how we slice them, are mostly for the existing crowd. Invitational is good at getting new people in and hopefully keeping them around because the requirements and stakes are dropped to an entry level so it's easy for newbies who were on the fence to come play. If we didn't want to have these members stay then why would so much work be dumped into putting an invitational on and getting the word out? It won't guarantee Us members who stay and again I stress that I think invitationals are a good idea I was merely trying to clarify what I assume Dawg had meant.
Edit: I am typing these all from my phone and it keeps hilariously changing words. Sorry if some stuff isn't coming across right.
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Well, I think it could be more than temporary, as long as it's not just a short-sighted thing. Just holding the Invitational will, as you said, be a temporary fix. But steps should be made after to keep people around, and encourage them to spread the word of Void.
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I agree! I think we could all put in a greater effort to get people to stick around. The first Invitational we only had 2-3 people that stayed on the site afterwards. The second one there was more success, and part of it was probably because Rofl PM'd the participants to encourage them to stay on the site. No matter what we will always lose some people that felt we were nothing more than another DA OCT. But we can always put forth that extra personal touch to make new people feel like we aren't. We should also look for ways to make us stand out vs. DA OCTs.
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Yeah, maybe enough wasn't done to keep them around after. I don't really know, as I wasn't involved in any of those tournaments. I'm not sure a whole lot more will stay on average, though. On average it is probably between 15-30%? That's not too bad. It'd be better to try and get those ones to be more active, I guess. 15 people having 10 posts and a couple of comics is OK and all. We need some more Pye's and Willy D's, though.
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This is basivally what i was hoping for. When i look at events for void, what im wanting is something to bring in new people, and yes, I know it will take extra effort to keep them around. Im sorry that I started to get more aggressive at the end, and maybe I didnt make my point clear enough. But basically, what I wanted when i saw this thread was an event geared for new people. I know its extra effort to keep them around, but thats the point. That the effort is shown and it made people feel welcome. It made me feel welcome back then. If i did cross anybody during my rant, feel free to message me personally. I dont want it to seem like im just ignoring what everyone's saying. Odds are, theres some miscommunication that is making one of us miss the others point, and Id love to actually talk to clear anything up. I really dont want to make any enemies out of this, i just have a bad habit of getting carried away at times.
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You're right about making people feel welcome. That's the key. I've heard many people say that someone personally reaching out to them is the reason why they stuck around, invitational or not. Hell, that's why I stayed. Trust me, this is something Ive thought about and the reason why we've been trying to tweak the site to make it a little more accessible and easier to find the info that you need. General confusion is a problem with new people as well. I agree with you 100%. It's probably one of the biggest things that anyone can do to help the site. Definitely keeping what you said In mind, thank you.
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I really dont want to make any enemies out of this
Your point was fine. I don't think you understood ours, and perhaps that is my fault, so I'm sorry about that. Calling them bandaids overall isn't a bad thing. The people that do stick around are valued. Bandaid is referring to the boost in new activity during the tournament. Other tournaments do this to a lesser degree, that's true. The invitational is on another level, though, because it's all new people, so it adds a lot more to the overall activity.
To be clear, no enemies are being made here (or I hope not, at least). You are good. I'm just trying to bring some candidness to this thread where I can.
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I really dont want to make any enemies out of this
To be clear, no enemies are being made here (or I hope not, at least). You are good. I'm just trying to bring some candidness to this thread where I can.
You are my shonen rival/enemy now Dawg and I will scream at the heavens to increase my power to defeat you atop Mt.Radass, which is the most radical badass mountain to fight on.
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I really dont want to make any enemies out of this
To be clear, no enemies are being made here (or I hope not, at least). You are good. I'm just trying to bring some candidness to this thread where I can.
You are my shonen rival/enemy now Dawg and I will scream at the heavens to increase my power to defeat you atop Mt.Radass, which is the most radical badass mountain to fight on.
I will murder you in a well!
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Urban Legends seems like a super cool idea, and I like the Healing matches as an idea, even though my character doesn't have any.
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This list is pretty mediocre. Themed tournaments in which your limited to all muppets, wrestlers, urban legends can get kind of restrcitve. Two of my favorite things about SDT is that anyone can join and that the characters are all over the place. Prettiest Princess wasnt restrictive because it left a lot to the imagination of what they were the princess of.
You guys should take the three top choices on this list (which is hard cuz it's all kind of even) and make a new list with some better options.
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I honestly don't see how those are much more restrictive than PPT was (except maybe muppets, just because it kind of limits your art style I guess?). There's still a ton of room for creativity, and I'm sure people will push the limits to the breaking point (if not further). It's not the theme that makes the tournament, but the artists. The theme is just a fun gimmick, and I'm sure we'll have themes you like better in the future if these don't do it for you now!
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I like the Monster Mash just because I’m a sucker for monsters and cool looking character designs. And I like the Shipping idea because it points out that tournaments and comics don’t have to be fighting-based and you could have like friend-ships and stuff. They don’t have to be in love with everyone.
As a person who joined with an Invitational Tournament, I think they’re great they throw you into a very welcoming setting however I think if we do another one I think you shouldn’t be thrown out because once you lose it’s like you’re not part of the group anymore and on the sidelines after being so hyped. Sure you lost, really sucked , or even defaulted but you’re not ready to let go yet.
I think next time everyone should do like 4 rounds and the person who accumulates the most points from the 4 rounds wins the tournament.
Or something.
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Also the reason I joined the Invitational was because for a long time I was afraid to apply, because I didn’t think I was good enough. And when I finally did,I wasn’t good enough lol. I was denied twice and in truth my entries were pure shit and I was working on a 3rd intro comic when the tournament came along.
The reason I wanted to join was because I thought comics were cool, I thought the people were cool, I wanted to improve, and I really just wanted to be a part of it.
I was 15 when I first discovered Void and 19 when I got a character on through the tournament.
I just wish sometimes I tried harder to get in earlier because I feel like I just don’t have the time. And at 15 I knew I wasn’t very good but I wanted to produce and I wanted the motivation to produce and I believe I had a hell of a lot more time to do it than at 19 with going to college and working full-time and dealing with the shit life likes to throw at you. So I also think just getting a character in Void a little more lenient… ?
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Yeahh, it's WAY more lenient now.
Themed tournaments in which your limited to all muppets, wrestlers, urban legends can get kind of restrcitve ... Prettiest Princess wasnt restrictive because it left a lot to the imagination of what they were the princess of.
How are princesses less restrictive than monsters, every urban legend ever, or every type of wrestling ever?
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This list is pretty mediocre. Themed tournaments in which your limited to all muppets, wrestlers, urban legends can get kind of restrcitve. Two of my favorite things about SDT is that anyone can join and that the characters are all over the place. Prettiest Princess wasnt restrictive because it left a lot to the imagination of what they were the princess of.
You guys should take the three top choices on this list (which is hard cuz it's all kind of even) and make a new list with some better options.
It's pretty disheartening to just hear you call the list "mediocre" and not give any feedback at all.^^
I would definetly encourage you to give some of your own ideas of what you'd like to see and participate in!
In fact, we have a Topic just for that: http://entervoid.com/index.php?topic=12959.0
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Yeahh, it's WAY more lenient now.
Themed tournaments in which your limited to all muppets, wrestlers, urban legends can get kind of restrcitve ... Prettiest Princess wasnt restrictive because it left a lot to the imagination of what they were the princess of.
How are princesses less restrictive than monsters, every urban legend ever, or every type of wrestling ever?
Adding onto this: Even though it only says Pro-Wrestling or Lucha Libre, that's outdated; the wrestling tournament would indeed allow you to cater to any kind of wrestling, even one you make up from another planet etc.
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First let me say that i like the idea of themed tourneys, more broad then specific but themed none the less. I feel like they are a challenge, to create a comic that is outside the box while staying within the perimeters and still entertaining. While having no theme at all obviously more flexible, i feel like that too is more geared towards regular battles. IDK what will bring more activity to the site but i do feel like tournaments are one way, and the more accessible they are the more people will get involved, obviously. However, i do not feel like character entry should be made more lenient because that would make it less of a skill building environment. Dont kno if that helped, but hey.
btw, i like monster mash and king of monsters but only because i dont have a character in, but i still think the wrestling idea could be pushed in many different directions.
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Tomorrow night is the deadline for these polls! Two of the choices are tied so make your choice before the end of tomorrow.
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So if Monster Mash and Wrestling are still tied at the end...
does that mean they get combined into the WrestleVania tournament?
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WrestleVania isn't out of the question if enough folks are on board, though it looks like King of the Monsters has jumped to tie with those two as well!
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If it matters, I misclicked and didn't get my second vote, which was for the Monster Mash.
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Oh shit. I hadn't read any of the posts but i just changed the lead! Tense!
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Oh, and when is this intended to be starting?
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I was wondering why the numbers were off, I'll keep that in mind, hiemie
JoeNeary, we are looking to start in October, and announce next week/this weekend the chosen tournament so that y'all have time to make character sheets for new characters, if you're going to go that route.
These characters will not require intro comics.
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Sounds awesome!
I'm excited. :)