Aaaaah, the more you know

No, not at all, I'm just saying, you don't have to, but honestly, you'll look like an asshole if you don't.

Hiemie: PyrasTerran: Hiemie: Isn't changing your design sheet from a scar or stop fighting with a dead character the same as honoring the scar/death match rules? Beyond Battle fights, month of the dead, you don't have to draw your character with the scars in your comic. Your opponent does, you don't. Hell, all your fights could take place in the past before your scar happened. This is new to me. But as far as scars goes this doesn't sound like something that should be encouraged.

PyrasTerran: Hiemie: Isn't changing your design sheet from a scar or stop fighting with a dead character the same as honoring the scar/death match rules? Beyond Battle fights, month of the dead, you don't have to draw your character with the scars in your comic. Your opponent does, you don't. Hell, all your fights could take place in the past before your scar happened.

So much drama just went and gone. like High School.

Hiemie: Isn't changing your design sheet from a scar or stop fighting with a dead character the same as honoring the scar/death match rules?

The_BenT_One: Guys, this is awesome. I love the double part story. But how does this work for the winning plot? obviously the winner's story is official cannon. so does the loser in this case still have their story referenced, but they just don't get the points? Man if I were able to finish up my couple of pages I think it wouldve been less confusing, but regardless Angie's end would've been end all be all for this.. we did this in the order placed (my story first then angieezy's story) I appreciate all crit folks and I really wanted to make it epic what with me being aginst Ms. "#1 in the Leaderborads" ( I know she's tired of hearing it) but I'll aim to only get better. sheesh I got Fetus Man next so I got to.

The_BenT_One: Guys, this is awesome. I love the double part story. But how does this work for the winning plot? obviously the winner's story is official cannon. so does the loser in this case still have their story referenced, but they just don't get the points? It never really matters, they're always 2 parters in this case. It doesn't matter if either wins because they wrote one story. And scar and death matches really don't have to be honored. You just have to change your design sheet for one and you don't fight anymore for the other. If the dead person wanted, some some special dead person event, they could make comics like nothing even happened. They don't have to, but they probably should. No one really has to do anything relating to other people's comics/characters really.

It's not that draconian; it's generally in good taste to respect the winner's version, but it's not mandatory. And sometimes, for example, if your stories take place in a world that is not Void City or the same timeline that most of us play in, then you really don't HAVE to go by what the winner did, at least not exactly. However, Scar matches and Death matches MUST be honored.

Guys, this is awesome. I love the double part story. But how does this work for the winning plot? obviously the winner's story is official cannon. so does the loser in this case still have their story referenced, but they just don't get the points?

Carlito, Private Message system, use it. If you want to resume the discussion there we can, but not in the battle comments.

angieness: Thanks. In the future please just keep any of your personal thoughts of me as a person to PM like I'd asked. Oh it wasn't an attack on you as a person! What the heck? I said your attitude toward crits sucked.

Thanks. In the future please just keep any of your personal thoughts of me as a person to PM like I'd asked. This is extremely unfair to Mrnouitall.

No more drama. Good luck Angie. Corry- Best fight from you so far! Keep at it.

[quote]I'll be honest and I'll gladly throw a low blow...but you have NO ROOM to talk about attitudes, Carlito. You've been caught cheating on your battles numerous times and throwing fits in your comments, quitting void, etc and you're talking about how Angie is? That's not a low blow, that's a lie! I never got "caught cheating" on my battles.. I've made a comic every month of the 2 and half years I've been on, I've almost never NOT been in the "making comics" post on the front page.. If I was "caught cheating" why wasn't I banned? Because I DIDN'T CHEAT. One of the people Angie accused me of BEING actually has a character on the site now! Yet I've gotten no appology from any of you, and you CONTINUE to slander my name. And I "quit" to draw a graphic novel for a year that I plan to self publish, I just wrote it into my battle cause I had burned out on ideas and thought it was clever. Sorry.

Sounds good :D

Absolutely especially if you don't mind me asking you some coloring questions..... after a year of no tablet I'm getting one this weekend for my B-day ....whoooo whoooo!!!!!

Thanks Lune and Alberto! Alberto, I will hit you up through a PM on the perspective stuff since I have a few questions

Hahahahah My turn to chime in... First off I disagree with you Carlito I think Angie has a great attitude I've seen a devoted dedicated student to her Art especially if one looks back at her earlier work mucho improvements.... I like Angie's explanation of what is going on in her mind ... a lot of folks take art at face value... and one tends to forget the artist mood what is going on in their heads at the time of the project, are they experimenting? Unconsciously self destructing? Moving on to a different place? Going through the motions? Everyone has a different answer or two... Angie is just going through another phase in her life and should be respected regardless. And not to make all these post about Angie. How you doing Mrnoitaull? First off good stuff, a lot of improvements here You are definitely becoming one of my faves.... On pg. 1 pnl 3, the car windows are so empty that they give off too much negative space, some gray dotted in them would help a lot. Pg. 4 Pnl 1 the garbage can, the garbage bag and the homeless guy seem to be floating in some kind of low gravity space. And I'm not really sure but is Angie wearing a bullet proof vest? It's hard to tell with the Art.... But anyways great stuff looking forward to more of your stuff. Angie Angie Angie.... Alot has been said already .... I'll give my quick take .... as far as your drawing of characters there is this little thing that you tend to do... it's weird but the only way i can explain it is that your characters tend to look deflated .... I know right? You are like what's he talking about... laugh... sometimes the characters look deflated lika a Macy's parade balloon. The Perspective thing is definitely a crutch for you... my only suggestion for now is for you to establish a horizon line with each of your panels... train your brain with repetition... just keeep drawing a horizon line in each panel and soon your eyees will see the vanishing points for everything .... soon it'll be second nature. And Lastly I love the coloring although at times it felt sluggish... another weird analogy... it's the only way to describe it... it felt like at some pages the colors slowed me down... maybe that's what you wanted I don't know. Oh wait one more thing... I think you needed to vary some of your zipatones up some... the tones seemed the same weight even when the character was drawn at different sizes.... and yes I would love to collab on something in the future with you... wait did you ask me or did that jus pop in my head.... weird.

Keep doing what you're doing, Angie. Michaelharris said it best. I KNOW you strive to improve yourself and you take critiques with stride. You have every right to stand up for yourself and every right to ask for advice and use it in the FUTURE, like I'm sure you would. Carlito, you're a nice guy, but seriously- angie is the "queen of void" because she treats people with respect and stays quite social on the website. Trust me, there are people who don't kiss her ass and still treat her with respect. Don't jump down the girls throat for explaining her artwork. If you don't want ppl to act like this in your battle comments, simply step aside and let her be. I'll be honest and I'll gladly throw a low blow...but you have NO ROOM to talk about attitudes, Carlito. You've been caught cheating on your battles numerous times and throwing fits in your comments, quitting void, etc and you're talking about how Angie is? Psh... Lets move along and let this battle end. Good job once again you two! Corry- can't wait to see more of your work!

Thank you Michael, I appreciate it and I always appreciate the crits you give me. And I'm not quitting Void, I just didn't wanna battle anymore and just wanna focus on BBs+collab BBs since that's what I love to do the most.

Angie. Keep doing what you are doing. All the crits I gave were with the assumption you want to get your pencils up to pro standards. Keep that in mind. I don't particularly like what you do, but I love the quality and effort you put into it and I encourage you to keep doing it. Your shit is always quality. You are already doing colors professionally so you win. I am really sad that void is stressing you, but a lot of other artists on void have done the same thing and said fuck the audience, that's what I do. I use void as a practice ground for developing new styles. I don't want you to quit void, its really nice having something that's high caliber enough so I can actually critique, but I understand your reasons. Corry you have been one of my favorite artists and I like your character a lot as well and I think you have the capacity to do this professionally. I encourage you to keep on. *cough* backgrounds *cough*

Haha yay. I'm just taking a break from mine myself. Almost done. Woo.

I totally was :( I was all up in the middle of penciling a page

All this time arguing could be spent making moar comics 8D!!!!!

Carlito, you have to understand that at the college I went to it was normal to explain your art during a critique. I'm not making excuses, for me it is normal to explain your work. If I was uninterested in learning about anything but coloring I wouldn't have spent 4 years on Void and $100,000 on art school (there was no major for coloring afterall, I was actually a Time Based Media major so my degree had nothing to do with coloring). I just simply showed Airlight the page, he saw a perspective problem and offered to red line it. I did try to fix it but was unable to without just redoing the page, I never specifically said hey Airlight please red line this for me. And seriously dude, take a look at my earlier comics and then look at my most recent ones. To say that I have not improved on my lineart, anatomy, drawing humans, backgrounds, and perspective is silly. I still struggle a lot with perspective because I have issues getting it down and understanding it. I've taken a class on the subject and had it explained time and time again and it still escapes me. Sometimes I'm just a slow learner, heck, I failed my driver's and written tests 3 times a piece because I had issues comprehending things. Sure I may be slow at getting some things but that doesn't mean I don't try hard to figure them out. To say that I don't try to learn is just horrible. To say that I have a bad attitude just because it is normal for me to explain my work in a classroom setting and to have issues learning some things is just extremely rude. I mean seriously, I took 3 figure drawing classes just because I knew my anatomy needed help http://angieness.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d1v4dc3 (and to come into someone's battle comments to start a fight is hardly an example one should be setting on a learning site either :D)

Kotori Ky: I'd say the same about yours, Carlito. Mind your own business. I was irritated by the Airlight thing. That was offensive to me. Why ask for advice if you were totally done with that page and had no intention of using it? Not my business? Whatever, I guess... But every battle I've seen you in Angie, you don't take crits very well and always have an explanation or excuse for everything. I also don't think you've fixed problems you've had when you started 4 years ago. You're the Queen of Void though, anyone says anything a million admin pop up and jump down their throat. So why saying anything negitive? Let's all just ass kiss! It's very unfair and sends the wrong message on this TEACHING site. I think you're better then a lot of people on here! I think you try harder then ANYBODY! Page count wise and time spent wise... But your attitude sucks! And besides coloring, I don't see you have any interest in learning. That doesn't mean I hate you or your character or your work... It just means if you listened and worked on what you lacked you would be so so so so much better. And that should be all of our intentions here.

I wasn't trying to overgeneralize or water down your critique, but I believe Carlito grossly misread what I was trying to say in my initial post which of course got to me. I was trying to have a discussion with you so I'm sorry if that came across as being abrasive or rude. You made good points but I think that I'm also allowed to disagree with some of the points too. I mean if I felt you were just trying to hate and be a jerk I wouldn't have asked for further help with the anatomy problems because I honestly did not see them in the comic. It's just frustrating to be told my attitude sucks the one time I disagree and say why I might not change some things. I wasn't trying to say "don't crit me guys I's just tryin' to have fun", that was not my intent at all. I mean come on, seriously. I've been here 4 years and I've learned a lot and improved a lot by listening to others, it's not in the game plan to stop that. I think everyone by now is well aware that I usually leave lengthy replies to crits so I wasn't trying to leave one big OH MY GOD YOU'RE A JERK AND HERE'S WHY reply or anything. For the whole having fun thing, I was just talking about the story and wanting to just start relaxing. I wasn't trying to say I wouldn't improve on my anatomy or perspective, just that I was gonna keep rolling with my initial ideas. I'd decided to stop battling so I could just chill and have some fun, because as you can see here I take Void farrrr too seriously. Battling was just no longer fun for me because it just stressed me out because I was always scared of whether or not the audience would like it, with BBs it feels more like I'm just doing a comic randomly just cause I felt like it. So yeah oh god wall of text here, but again, please don't take it as I'm disregarding your critique or seeing you as being mean. My initial comment to Carlito was me just snapping back.

Watering down my whole crit into "I don't enjoy your comics" is over simplifying it. I said liked your "In Dreams" BB, & I tried to suggest ways you could improve your stuff. Sorry if i wasn't helpful. i know you work hard on your stuff and i don't want to lessen what you've done. but void's a learning site for everyone, i wasn't trying to be mean to you i just told you what i thought.

Well like I even specifically asked for more help with anatomy so I'm just at a loss.

Man your attitude rocks Carlito.

I'd say the same about yours, Carlito. Mind your own business.

Huh? How does it suck? I wasn't rude or disrespectful to Penryn in any way, I was just merely explaining why I did certain things and how there are some things I may not change. If Penryn felt as though I was rude then I'm sorry. I'm just tired of feeling as though I only have to draw for other people when it never hurts to do things for yourself from time to time. There's really not much I can say in response to "I don't enjoy your comics" honestly.

Man your attitude sucks Angie.

Mrnoitaull, I liked the work you put into the comic but I'm afraid the beginning really made me stumble going in. The text was confusing and very very abrupt. I was very lost for awhile and had to jump back and reread things. It seemed out of the blue, story-wise, for me with Cory and that threw me off balance. Once I settled into the abruptness of it the actual story was easy enough to follow and I did chuckle at the hobo distraction. I think others with more skill in the area of backgrounds and perspective have already mentioned those areas to you. I'm horrible at them, m'self, so I'll just mention that you should keep working on them and practice-practice-practice! But since you've been taking steps forward with your battles already, as this one has shown, I'm sure you're already doing that. Angie, I continue to enjoy watching your story unfurl. Unlike others, I really love the complex and continuing story that you have going and can't wait to see where you take it. What you need to remember, and what you stated in your reply, was that everyone has their own preferences when it comes to what they read and enjoy. Your work has grown and matured in your time here and in doing so you've found a voice you enjoy and like. There are those that really do enjoy it and like watching it grow, so focus on that. Your colors are still as strong as ever, and I like that you keep to a theme that matches the overall nature of Angie and her storyline. If that means you have a steady 'area' of the pallet you use... so be it. The idea is to blend the entire thing, the over-arching plot, together... and I like that you're doing that. I've seen some of the work you've been doing for your pro gigs and I know that you're not 'stuck in a rut', you're doing it by choice and for a reason, and I respect that. Your anatomy does seem wonky in a few areas, including faces and angles, but they are coming along. Some of it might be style, though, so I'm not sure.

Angieness: angieness: Penyrn88-(just so you know I didn't write Mrnouitall's script, I think it's a little unfair to not give him credit where credit is due) Oh my bad, I meant he followed your Outline, sry for the confusion or not giving credit or whatever, Mrnoitaull your writing was ok, for following an outline, i think there were some spelling errors here and there, but nothing too major. anyways like i said before, i think your ink wash and your panel layouts were what won me over in this fight not really the writing or the story, i thought it looked really good and it looks like you did your best on this fight. keep it up :) Angieness: [quote]I hope you don't take this as I'm trying to disregard/argue with your critiques or am butthurt or anything like that. I do appreciate the advice and critiques and since you took the time to give me a thorough and well thought out critique I felt that you deserved an equally thought out response. I've just always been taught that it was good to discuss critiques and explain why I do what I do that's all art school doing that to me haha. No Worries Angie, when it comes down to it, its up to you if you want to take crits or not. i just thought you'd like to hear my honest feedback of your work. :)

Angieness: angieness: Penyrn88-(just so you know I didn't write Mrnouitall's script, I think it's a little unfair to not give him credit where credit is due) Oh my bad, I meant he followed your Outline, sry for the confusion or not giving credit or whatever, Mrnoitaull your writing was ok, for following an outline, i think there were some spelling errors here and there, but nothing too major. anyways like i said before, i think your ink wash and your panel layouts were what won me over in this fight not really the writing or the story, i thought it looked really good and it looks like you did your best on this fight. keep it up :) Angieness: [quote]I hope you don't take this as I'm trying to disregard/argue with your critiques or am butthurt or anything like that. I do appreciate the advice and critiques and since you took the time to give me a thorough and well thought out critique I felt that you deserved an equally thought out response. I've just always been taught that it was good to discuss critiques and explain why I do what I do that's all art school doing that to me haha. No Worries Angie, when it comes down to it, its up to you if you want to take crits or not. i just thought you'd like to hear my honest feedback of your work. :)

angieness: Penyrn88-(just so you know I didn't write Mrnouitall's script, I think it's a little unfair to not give him credit where credit is due) However I take it as I was accurate with Angie to the point people actually think you wrote. ::pat myself on the back::

Penyrn88-(just so you know I didn't write Mrnouitall's script, I think it's a little unfair to not give him credit where credit is due) I felt as though I did something different with the colors on this battle. I tend to have a lot of comics happen around similar times just because I love dramatic lighting and those particular times of day are best for it. It's not that I don't want to use different color schemes or time of day, it's mostly because I like to establish a very specific mood for comics. Right now I'm currently working on a few paid coloring gigs and I do do more color schemes and varieties of lighting there because that is what the client wants. Since this is my own story this is just doing what I feel suits it best. I personally do not feel as though the P2 comic would have had the same feeling and mood had it been taking place during the middle of the day with blue skies and the sun shining. Of course with any colorist, a lot of us do fall into having specific palette and lighting patterns. It's not that they're lazy or scared to try new things, it just happens. (well sometimes they are hired specifically because that is what they're known for, this has happened to me a few times) I've made a lot of strides in my professional work to try not to do the same kinds of palettes so it's not like I'm not trying to do new things and that was also the goal on this comic in particular since I've never colored a comic in this way before. While I know what you're saying and appreciate the feedback, it is unlikely I will get out of using evenings/mornings/nights for Angie's story just because it suits the mood of the story. With the Dreams BB and this Corry comic they were both exercises to get me to do new things. The Dreams BB was a way to prove that hey, I can do a comic in black and white. This comic was designed to make more conscious decisions about color decisions and how to use them to display emotion and impact. If you do look through my previous comics you will notice that while I do do evenings/nights a lot I also have made a conscious effort to do something different color wise. On the P2 comic purples, pinks and reds were very dominant whereas if you look at the Scarlett battle which is unfortunately broken, the focus was browns, oranges, and blues. And it wasn't as though I disregarded Airlight's advice. He had red lined an image that was already inked and colored, I tried to fix it and just was unable to do so without redoing the image altogether. I still kept the redlines to help me for future reference, but at that point it was better to just move on and learn from it. As for the anatomy could you possibly PM me to be more specific? Because I'm always working on anatomy but when you say I need to work on anatomy that's kind of broad. So if you could just PM me and tell me where things specifically needed work that will be more helpful. As for the story I think it's all going to boil down to personal preference. I don't think I'm a great writer by any means but in my time at Void I've had some people love my writing some people hate it, you win some you lose some. For the recaps and complexity of the story you do have to understand that some of my biggest influences were Cerebus, Bone, and manga. Understandably a long story arc is not very suited for the format of Void, but I've mostly written the kind of comics I enjoy reading. I will be honest with you, it's unlikely I'll be making any changes with the story and how it's presented. At this point I'm mostly just trying to finish up Angie's story, and when it's over that's probably it for my time at Void. Void has definitely served its purpose in helping me learn and grow, but things are picking up for me on a professional level as a colorist so I'm mostly just doing Void for fun and relaxation nowadays so I'm really not as focused on changing the story anymore. That's kind of why I wanted to give up battling so I could just do comics and have fun with them for me for once instead of focusing so heavily on what the audience may or may not like. There's a lot of people in this world and I've had to accept that I can't please all of them. It has been so incredibly long since I've done a comic just because I felt like it or with the entire purpose of me having fun and that is why I loved making the Dreams comic. While it's unfortunate you don't like my work, that's just going to happen in life I guess. I hope you don't take this as I'm trying to disregard/argue with your critiques or am butthurt or anything like that. I do appreciate the advice and critiques and since you took the time to give me a thorough and well thought out critique I felt that you deserved an equally thought out response. I've just always been taught that it was good to discuss critiques and explain why I do what I do that's all art school doing that to me haha.

Since you have 3 battles up instead of writing 3 crits I'm gonna just make one big one here. First off Angie, Kudos for trying something different with the "Angela Rudell in Dreams" BB, I really enjoyed it and I'd like to see you experiment more in the future. Unfortunately i didn't really like your other battles as much, and here's why, it feels like I've read them before. I think your biggest problem is you've plateaued, i think a good example of this is your colors, yes they are really nice, but you use the same color choices for all your fights. It seems like everything takes place at dusk or dawn, because everything has that orange glow to it. So I'd like to see you broaden your color choices. 2ND your anatomy and perspective need lots of work, I know I've mentioned this before on one of your battles a while ago, but it doesn't look like you've worked on that at all, I saw on the comments that you asked for Airlight's advice on some perspective, its too bad you didn't take that advice cause it looks like you could have used it. (Corry vs. Angela Rudell, pg 6 panel 1, is an example of this). Lastly your writing is lackluster, i find it a bit of a struggle to make it through your stories, you could fix this by making your support characters more compelling, more interesting, give me a reason to care about them and what they're doing, and try to simplify your story as well, i don't want to have to read a recap on every battle to have an idea of whats going on, especially because your fights are 6 months in between, it'd be nice to read something that could stand on its own without having to go back and reread your old battles in addition to a recap, to make since of it. I know your a Hard worker though and you'll make good use of this advice. Mrnoitaull , i thought this was some of your best work, though you had some anatomy and lighting issues, i think the biggest problem with most of your comics is they look unfinished, not the case with this one. i really like the feel to it and your choice of panel layout, great work. i can't say anything about your writing though cause you were following Angie's script. So with the voting scale 1-2 being awful, 5 as average and 10 as professional work, i give Angie a 7 in quality, a 5 for creativity and, 5 for entertainment, and i give Mrnoitaull a 7 in Quality, 7 in creativity, and 6 in entertainment. Great job both of you, i hope this was helpful in some way.

Corry: What an awesome surprise this was to see you finally get to reaching your intended goal! It looks fantastic. First thing's first, I'm bummed that first page just had a white snowstorm going on outside of the car. Would have been a super opportunity to try and push yourself, but that's okay, nothing major taken away. A tip for the next time you try doing cars, maybe add some white to the way you color them, because it really make them pop more and add that little layer of realism to them. I'm not a fan of your font choices, I really hope you use the few I linked you. Multiple of kinds of fonts also have an ugly inconsistent look to them. You've got some spot on posing in the next few pages and really good anatomy. I could have used some buttons or small details on the jacket to make it feel a bit different than the world around them. Maybe if you had used a thin pinstripe on his suit or something, it would help make him stand out a bit more. I like your backgrounds, although I did end up wanting more, you've got a lot of scenes that are in very cramped and confined spaces, with not too much detail going on. I also don't like your usage of censoring the words you're writing out. Not that you don't have to censor it, but the manner you do it is really eye-drawing and annoying. Overall, I'm really glad you got to push your greyscale that much farther this time and I feel this was a step for you. I hope your next fight goes even farther.

It was already inked at that point, I wasn't able to fix it without scratching it and redoing it since it was beyond an easy fix.

Angie I am saddened, you asked me for feedback on one of your pages while you were working on this comic, and I took the time to redline and explain 2-point perspective to you, and you never fixed it. :[

Yeah I'm game with the critiques. It was either him or Phil, both of which are welcomed. Mike, I can honestly say that I do need to work on my bgrounds, I tend to just knock em for sense of " eh they get it" as far as my story is concerned, I wanted to make the story for his coldness be non-linear, but I feel like Corry wil revert back to the push over.

It's all good in the hood, it's hard to take anyone's comments very personally when I have 3 comics up. Fluffier is only allowed if kittens are involved.

No worries, I know as an artist like I hearing both of everyone's likes and dislikes. Pro or not, ya know? Glad to know those aren't your intentions. Never fun for ppl to assume cause then they just get scared of ya and dread your comments! Ahaha! Thank you <3

oh. I am not trying to be a dick, really. I'd let you know if I was. But everyone else covered the positives, I didn't think it was necessary. I always want to know what I am doing wrong, especially if all I get are pats on the back. Plus Angie's a pro and I think she can handle it. I'd be a lot fluffier on a noobie. It's actually a mark of respect.

Not to start anything... but michael, do you EVER have anything good to say about these comics? It seems all you do is pick them apart but never tell them what they are doing right. It seriously probably makes these artists feel like crap... I always make sure to tell ppl what could be wrong, what could be fixed and what I like. That makes a strong critique in my opinion. Your intentions could be good but... it just makes you APPEAR like a dick. =( I mean this in a the most sincere way possible.

Corry, I feel like in every other story, you have taken GREAT PAINS in portraying your character as an all around good guy, so it seems very strange that now, all of a sudden out of the blue, he is a cold hearted killer. Now I am all for changing up your character, but some transition or explanation would be nice. I liked him because he was one of the few "good guy types" on void. Artwise, you still need to work on your backgrounds, its extremely obvious that you avoid drawing the car interior on page one. which took me out of the story. I can tell you aren't using any kind of perspective drawing either which makes your backgrounds and that car on page 2 look wonky. I would also reference folds on clothing too, because they don't quite feel as natural as they should. Using more reference would help, it looks like you made up the crackhouse building out of your head. It's often a lot easier to just google a building and just copy it. That way you get a unique looking building that feels real. Angie On page four, it felt a little awkward having the huge guy about to pounce on Corry, then all of sudden he was on Corry, it didn't quite flow well for me, maybe it was because Corry is really hard to see in the third panel, so at first it just looks like the big guy is curled up, looking at the floor. I thought the halftones were extraneous, they didn't really serve a purpose. Were you trying to get the dot pattern halftone? or were you going for the blocks? Let me know and I can tell you how to get the dots. Reference too. The break room establishing shot is really bad. You didn't use any reference, nor did you use any perspective drawing. The coffee machine is 8 feet tall. The top cabinets are six feet high. There are at least three different light sources. No one makes a kitchen area with an empty space in corner between cabinets. The rest of the comic gets away with fudged perspective, but that panel really highlights your weakness in that area. Storywise, I find it really hard to believe someone who is smart enough to get to third highest rank, in an organization where you have to kill people to get their rank, would turn their back on someone who's intestines they shot out last week. That really took me out of the story. I don't particularly understand why Corry just stood their, nor what happened on the last two pages.

Great stuff, the both of you! It's gonna be a close one for me. Angie - Really cool expressive work here, nice and energetic, though at times linework seemed a bit rushed. a couple panels could use a little more strategic planning , mainly in the early coffee room scenes, but overall everything was great. Good story , good colors, and good art. It's awesome that you're tackling all of these projects one after the other, i saw good progress in these pages alone, can't wait to see where you're at after these next few comics! MrNo - I love what you do with your comics, its like seeing how things would look in a movie version of the story. Nice work adapting characters to fit your style, and your figures are really solidifying. Yyour panel compositions are looking better too . Also, your tones on this are really nice, but don't be afraid to push some dark blacks into there. Sometimes I got a bit lost in the action panels, some strategic action lines could help remedy that situation. Be careful about those stray pencil lines too, I find myself getting fixated on them from time to time. One other little crit, take some time and practice A)point perspective and B) drawing straight lines freehand. Those loose and uneven lines really bring those buildings down, especially panel 1 on page 3, though it looks like you used a ruler on all the later pages. Anyway, great work man, im really itching to see how copper comes into the situation...! Great work again you two, im psyched to see who comes out on top!

This is my favorite Angie comic, style and story wise. And for Corry, I dare to say this is my favorite Corry comic too because it's much more polished than a lot of previous entries and it's nice to see your dream come true Corry. Congrats.

Well I'll come back and give this a full review when I'm not like dead tired. But anyway first impressions... Mrnoitaull- I think this is one of your better comics. I really liked the marker use in this one, prisma cool greys? Angie- I have to say that this is by far my favorite of the different looks you have tried. I just love the way the whole thing looks. Its excellent. And as fun to read as ever, I eagerly await the next chapter of angie's story

Well when I had talked about doing this with Mrnouitall he wanted Corry to be shown in a colder light which is why he didn't interfere. While he was traumatized by watching in the end he becomes numb and accepts what he has gotten himself into.

Mrnoitaull That was awesome. The grey washes go extremely well for you, apparently, because I think this is easely your best-looking comic. The story flowed well and was quite entertaining. The naration did bother me, though, as even I had read all the cory comics recently, I still don't understand what the hell he's saying. I dunno, there seems to be a context missing somewhere. Or I'm just too tired to comprehend properly. Angie, I like the looks of this one better than the P2 BB, simpler and more efficient, great use of moods. What bothered me was the separation of the story, you get Corry getting a mission, then angela, then corry is scared, almost like an excuse. It's like two stories, one of which turns out pretty pointless. Angieness gets the looks, Mrnoitaull gets the entertainement for me.

And for those that don't read the forums, this is most likely my final battle or 2nd to the last. I might be doing *one* more since I had promised someone I'd do one in October but after that this is it. I'm just going to be doing BBs and collab BBs from there until I can finish up Angie's story.

Okay it's up, I hope you guys enjoy. I did something new for me so it's a little scary haha

LOL yeah, I'm so done after me and Copper Mouth. Lesson of the year: BACK UP EVERYTHING!

In my defense, this extension won't be for the full seven days. I won't be home before the deadline nor can I relay anyone to put em up for me. Ang please be my friend still. I kjnow u want all the pages and not just the ones I've uploaded so far.... you know give what you gave.

Finished and uploaded :D now to finish the Dream BB

Thanks! I hope you guys are pleasantly surprised by the style I've chosen for this. Zsabreuser initially dared me to try to color this like Joe the Barbarian because of the style of inking. I can't quite get it down but I've managed to do something in my own way for it. In a lot of my paid color work I've started to have to really branch out so this battle's gonna challenge my abilities as a colorist since it's gonna depend more on color knowledge and using color to tell a story than flash. So I hope you guys enjoy! This comic and the BB that'll take place afterwards are both drastically different adventures for me. Which is kind of fun, kind of scary haha

hahah, we'll thats no fair then! Best of luck to the both of you by the way. Lookin' forward to it!

haha well I'm pretty small, not that hard to take me out

What the heck, another battle mrnoitaull?? Despite what others try and say, angie is still just a human, you can take her out easy. Just go for the eyes.

Corry- Put ALL you effort into this man! You should be aiming for TWICE as good art-wise as your SDT match Vs. ODK, which has been by far yor best match. You need to FINISH and it should be your best work EVER! Not everybody gets a match against Angie. You're still gonna lose, but it's your time to shine. This was a pep talk.

Thanks! :D

I'm so waiting for this one XD Good Luck!!

sweet.

KevJB: Lets see some awesome. I sure hope so! :D

Lets see some awesome.

:)

Fapppppp

Yay! As a heads up this comic takes place after the other BB I have going up. I just felt it was important to have the BB read close to when this battle occurs so that's why two comics are happening at once.