Thnaks for all people, it was a great battle! :) It was nice to battle with you Angie! i'll try to improve!

Thanks for all the comments and votes guys, I always appreciate your feedback! I had fun battling you Brilliantik, I look forward to your next battle!

Not much to add. You guys did a bang up job. keep rocking!

Mister Kent-Thanks! Already in talks with Dure with where to take it next. Lune-To each their own on the color style, if you don't like it as much that's totally fine. Glad you enjoyed the comic! Rabbit Rabbit-a big part of it is pretty much everyone I ever hang around generally talks the same way I do haha so that certainly rubs off. In the past people really disliked it when they were very formal in the way they talked so I've tried to make them a bit more casual with how they talk. I'll try to work on it as it's something I've always had issues with, I tried to change it up a bit with characters like Ross who had a very distinct accent.

Angie, one thing I've noticed: absolutely everyone in the Masked Men organization talks just like you do. XD It's just a nitpick, but giving them more distinct personalities might make them more interesting. Like Luniara said, you keep improving with every comic. Brilliantik: I liked the coloring. The story was easy to read and easy to get into. The linework got a bit wonky here and there, but overall, this was a well-done comic. The wacky ending didn't do much for me, but that was easy enough to ignore.

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Angie, as always your story is running smoothly. As a fan of your stories (since I am into drama, suspense, etc) I found it interesting. This battle did not have that much action in it so I imagine for those who are into that genre, they might've not gotten into it as easily as others would've. Your anatomy has improved a lot and I can see it with EVERY battle. You experiment with new angles and perspectives that draw the view into the comic more. (I believe that is one thing that pulls me into the stories the most!) Coloring wise, I can't say I am a fan of that style. I find it less unique than your other style and find it less interesting. (though I imagine it is a lot faster!) It works with your inking, so to each their own of course! Also, it was nice to see you stray from mass amounts of texture usage. Sometimes an artist can rely too heavily on them when coloring artwork so spreading it out is best. I really never had much to say. There's always improvements! Great work! Billiantik- Everyone kinda covered what I had to say except... WHAT WAS THAT ENDING ABOUT? You gained points in entertainment from me there just for the mere fact that I laughed my ass off at how RANDOM it was!

Angie - I really enjoyed the story, as well as your new experiment in coloring. I was familiar with the Robin tale, and I thought that was a good link-up with comparing Fedra's image to hers. I'm curious to see where the story is going and how the masked men and Orphanage are connected (!) Bril - This was my favorite Fedra comic. Fedra's "slutty-librarian-who-really-loves-her-job" persona really comes across clearly. I think your take on Angie was all right - she seemed like Angie enough, but there could have been more character in her facial features. What's fun about the Angie character is playing up the contrast in animal and human features (I've always thought) Your facial expressions in general are really engaging. Keep up the good work!

Uh... there's a whole 'episode' devoted to the Robin character, it doesn't seem like a hard point to understand and I don't think it really needs elaboration.

thanks for the comments and critiques, i'll take them :)

haha no worries

No it's cool, I just seeing if this was stuff you knew about. I think I enjoy the action figure look more, actually. I really do, reading that it looks a tad sarcastic, but seriously it makes me smile.

And oh god I hope that didn't all come across as a bunch of excuses haha I really appreciate the feedback and totally get your points so please don't take it as me brushing you off or anything. I'm really glad that you went deeper into the writing itself and I will try to think about that stuff a bit more.

Michael-They're doing karaoke on the front, I drew it during class so it's probably not the most realistic drawing of a microphone haha. As for things looking shiny, honestly that's a stylistic decision. I know how lighting works and how it works on skin and such, but that's just the way I've chosen to color. It's not realistic but I'm heavily influenced by colorists who color in that way so I don't really see it changing. I totally get your point and all but yeah, that's how I want it to look. I do see what you're talking about with the anatomy, I caught it myself in a few panels but I always seemed to catch it *after* I inked it and was in the middle of coloring. I'll try to be a bit more careful in the future. As for the masked men, I've left their purpose vague for the most part. This battle was so I could try to fill in the blanks just a little, but I've kept what they do and their purpose vague so people can use them if they want. So my decision to keep the viewer in the dark has been intentional, most of what they do can be seen in my battles. A little more information will come out in my next battle but don't expect a lot yet. I will try to refer to them by name a bit more often so people get that they're just called "masked men" and don't have a fancy name or anything like that. Angie has very little grasp of what it is they do, throughout her history on Void I've tried to make it clear she's mostly just there to kill shit for them, they don't really want her to have much information. Her being sent to meet Fedra was intentional, you can't really give the enemy a lot of possibly damaging information if you don't even know anything they would want to know. Angie was just there for appearances really. As for the Robin thing, there wasn't supposed to be any kind of deep connection between Robin and Fedra, Angie was just supposed to be a little upset to be reminded of her. I remember when I originally saw Fedra in the Incubator, I was like "oh, that's slutty Robin!" haha In Brilliantik's half Fedra is pretty much just trying to take advantage of Angie since she learned she bore a resemblance to her and could potentially try to pry more info out of her. So really the only purpose with bringing it up was to allow Fedra to try to manipulate Angie's emotions. Thanks for the crits, hopefully that explains everything.

Bril, I like the backgrounds a lot but they kind of lose steam towards the end. If you want to make them all one color, that's cool, but make sure to do it throughout the entire piece. I would encourage you to keep working on anatomy and perspective, too. I would try to not let the texture overwhelm the art, there are a lot of places where the texture really bothered me. Is this colored pencil? The expressions need some work to, during the bar scene Angela and Fedra have the same expression over and over again in different panels. Storywise, this was pretty easy to follow, I still don't really know why Fedra was attacking Angela, a little more insight into that would have made the story stronger. The music video would have gone smoother with an intro page, like most people, I was like WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?!

Angie, Are they doing karaoke on the front or eating ice cream... I was confused. The art is pretty awesomely fantastic, your anatomy is getting better but everyone seemed to look like action figures to me. Everyone was so smooth and shiny, even the fur is really, really shiny, kind of making people look like plastic. The heads seem a little big to me, just a tad. The street scene did make a little hiccup for me. I thought it was a mass exodus or a parade or something. I do agree that you should vary up the color schemes a bit. There were a couple places, like on page 8 panel 1, where I think you should have put down a perspective grid, rather that fudging it, I think it would have mad the panel "perfect." Storywise, I couldn't really get into it. It was a easy read, it just seemed like the only thing accomplished was to let the audience know that the faceless were trying to make peace with the orphanage. I have been reading the Angela comics for two years and I still don't know what the Faceless are about. I don't recall anyone actually saying their name, I am assuming they are called the faceless. I know it may have been covered in a previous book, but in most episodic storytelling, writers usually make sure to repeat all the names and pertinent info at least once or twice. I also thought that Angela would have some sort of grasp on what the Faceless do, seeing as how she has worked for them for a long time. It just seemed weird that she couldn't say if they made hamburgers, or built hubcaps, or anything, just that they followed the money. If I was the leader of a massive organization, I would have sent someone with better knowledge of my organization. I didn't understand if there was a purpose to Angela not having any knowledge, was she just withholding info on purpose? Was she just being difficult? If she was just sending a folder, could a courier have done that? I know I might be being nit-picky, but I really would have liked a better look into the organization and more insight into the Robin connection. I was hoping the look-alike coincidence would lead to some kind of back story or open up some kind of sub-plot but it just seemed kind of random. Don't get me wrong, it was easy to follow and understand, I just thought this would have been a great opportunity to reveal more about the organization and the connections between the characters, but it just seemed like not a lot changed.

Dimension-yeah, there's a lot of areas where I think I lost track of where the lighting is coming from. Zigzagzero-Thanks! I'll try to start experimenting more with the designs on objects in the future. Foo-I'm definitely still experimenting with this style, this is the type of style I want to work with, it's just going to take a bit for me to really refine it and get it to look exactly how I want. I do agree a more shots of Robin may have helped really push the drama there and it would have gotten Angie's being freaked out and uneasiness across more. On the below angle shots, that's just me sucking as below shots haha which is why I'm trying to do them a lot more often so I can get a lot better with them. Hopefully there's been some improvement here and there with that. As for Angie's current story, at the moment I am trying to build it up as seeming like a somewhat normal job. Angie's trying to blend in and look like she's being good for the time being, there's a lot of areas within the organization she can't get near until she gets them to trust her more. In the next few comics I have planned, you'll be seeing her have to deal with the consequences of joining back up with them and she's going to have to make some difficult choices. Her actually taking on the organization is a long ways off and will potentially be the end of her story.

okayyy so i guess ill comment now. Angie: so i agree with david, that your palette could have been a bit more varied and that i think a mix of this style and a bit more texture work could really make this new color style something special for you. i think that the battle itself was written well and the pacing was nice. and the flash back section was well done but i think it woulda been cool if it accured more often toward the beginning.. like maybe have angie see fedra normal for a second and flash to the same scene but bloody robin in her place and flash back to normal.. that kinda thing would have been fun and lead a little more into the effect that, that particular death had on her. i think that your anatomy is improving as always with each comic altho your angled shots of angies head could use some work.. especially angles of her face from below.. they seem kinda iffy.. like youre not quite sure the structure of her scull.. and sometimes it seems more human than cat and sometimes the other way around. while i agree about the crowd stuff that was mentioned already i think that while more people means more lines in a way i think the huge crowd is easier than doing less people.. cause the more people there is the less detail you need and the more repetitive the action of drawing them is it seems like less work.. less people means a lot more detail to establish what each person is doing.. making sure their blocking makes sense. that kinda thing.. huge crowd is just lumps with bald heads.. no biggy. also i think at this point from when angie actually joined up with the masked men to move along her story we should get a bit more of a hint on what her ultimate goal was in joining them. where as now it just seems like any other job she could have.. the managment sucks.. shed rather be at home.. but its really not all that bad. Brill: i thought these were yur best pages.. altho i agree yur coloring left a little to be desired.. maybe try working with like.. prisma markers or something for the next one.some of your line work was really well done. tho the way you drew angie i think could have been more distinctive... i dont think it had anything really femme or feline about it.. it kinda looked like agent black with angie facepaint and a bleach job. the music video thing art wise didnt bother me that much.. but the lyrics were kinda random. but the colorful pelvic thrusting made it amusing. nicely done fight yous twos. -FoO

Both of these comics were exspectedly great. Ange your colors and detail stand out always. Your perspective is nearly perfect. Look into the design work of inanimate objects tables, chairs, light fixtures stuff like that. Awsome!! Bril this is your best work on Fedra to date. Honestly I didnt care much for the character at first. But I think that was because of her run in with the mysterious Koba. It wasnt a good debut subsequent comics proved her otherwise. I liked your work the overall improvement. My only problem was the fight, Angela is tougher than that. I felt unless there was some psi attack or something she would still have been able to fight. I mean it looks like she was just tossed on the pavement. The last two pages were my favorite, I love musicals!

Nice battle guys. Air and David covered most of what I was going to point out so I don't really have much more to add. Ang: I really liked this, The coloring style and inking style worked well together. While I know you like the complementary contrast/ blue lighting thing, I'd be cautious of where you put it. If you have it every where in all sorts of different panels and angles, it can really mess up your light source. Nice job with with the story, it was pretty entertaining. Brilliantik: I love the color scheme inside the bar, It looked like it fit well. On the pages where Angela is fighting though, it was hard for me to tell if we just bleeding or controlling her blood to fight. :P Good work overall.

Thanks for the crit David! I'm wanting to stick with this coloring style for a while since I'd originally wanted to do the American comic coloring style but never knew how until recently. I was trying to slowly wean myself off textures which is why they weren't really as prominent in this comic. I'll try to experiment a little more with it in the future. My color palette choice had a lot more to do with just inexperience with the coloring style than anything so I do agree with needing more variety in the palette from scene to scene. I've been practicing with it some to see what I can do with other colors. And yeah, on the crowd I learned my lesson haha had I spread it out a bit more it would have been a lot less work for me too. I actually do look at a lot of photos of Tokyo, but I think for the crowd scene I'd looked at some photos of India which was pretty ridiculously packed. And it is unfortunate that people vote down comics that involve reading on Void, but the general audience on Void prefers action comics so there is the difficulty in trying to appeal to people who ordinarily would not read this type of comic. It sucks, but it's better to do the comics you want to on Void than to try to appeal to everyone, it may hurt my scores but eh, not the end of the world if I enjoyed making the comic. On the dialogue it probably does have a little to do with not having much investment in the characters involved. If I started reading a comic series in the middle and it was mostly just talking I would know or care quite as much about what was going on in the conversation than I would had I been reading the series from the beginning. Most of the people I talked to that really enjoyed it were very familiar with the characters so it's good to hear how it came across from the point of view of someone who wasn't familiar with her. Like a lot of the info in the comic was to explain and answer some questions about the organizations people had had, with Angie being initially freaked out by Fedra's resemblance to Robin and then becoming uneasy around her since Fedra was just being a bitch. I probably could have played the resemblance to Robin bit up just a little more instead of just the quick flashback and Angie acknowledging it to make it more emotional. But yeah haha my goal was to try not to let it go on forever and to try to make their interaction short so it didn't feel like a ginormous boring information onslaught. And glad you liked the Gale comic, that was like the one really light hearted comic I've gotten to do.

Good work you two...Aerosol covered a lot of stuff so I will reiterate some things and hopefulyl touch on some new stuff. Ang > Agreed the colouring in this is a great experiment and a good departure from your other style. PErsonally I enjoy this much more than smoother painterly stuff. Something that was missing in this one however that I enjoyed with your other comics was the abundance of texture. In this comic it was very subdued (like on the auditorium stage and walls) I guess I would have like to see textures used in the characters in still the subdued way but to create true understanding of cloth, hair, skin, etc. Most things had this super smooth shiny look and they all seemed to be made out of the same material and all lit by some weird incandescent light off panel. I don't think your understanding of light is bad, it's actually fantastic, but everything seemed to be in the same lit space..The auditorium Yellow Orangish primary light source, bluish secondary, The Street Yellowish natural light, bluish secondary light, The shop Reddish orangish primary light bluish secondary light. Maybe the lights just need variety. The colouring style reminded me a lot of Liquid! from the 90's. Your anatomy is getting much stronger, the characters feel more grounded and voluminous in real space, where as they usedto feel vary flat. I think in some positions they still feel flattened, like the foreshortening on the seated figures in the audience. but overall your 3 dimensional understanding of the human form is much much better. Until Aerosol brought it up I had no idea that the street scenes were just street scenes I thought it was a parade or something, andthat threw me off in the pacing because you didnt mention any sort of "event" so I was like "WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE SO MANY PEOPLE!!" so yea crowd dispersements are way thinner even in crazy popuated cities. I've always imagine Void as an analog to Chicago, if you think of it more as a futuristic super over populated city why not look at references for crowds in Mumbai, Shanghai, Tokyok, Sao Paolo, Rio, or Mexico City, they all have weird combinations of old, REALLY old, and very contemporary architecture and they all have in excess of 20 million people. The story was fine. I always wondered why people vote down comics that invovled reading. IRL I generally go for comics that are not based around people in tights punching each other so my taste doesnt change much when Im looking at them on the screen. I guess my only problem is that I'm not that familiar with Angela as a character I've read most of her comics, but for some reason I wasn't too invested in this story, there wasn't much catharsis or even emotional action...I think dialogue becomes even more prescient when doing essentially a talking heads comic and it didn't grip me in this one, like it did in your last battle (I think that was the one where angela broke into that dudes library...that was ace) for me it just kind of meandered. Anywho.. Brilli - I think you did very well against the worthy opponent of Angela, all the way up until the last two pages which are a huge WTF!! IT through me off and I honestly felt no closure with the comic. It kind of reminded me of weird Japanese storytelling where they just have an aimless series of events punctuated by ridiculous violence and zero conclusion then some weird song where all the character turn into Chibi's at the end. That's exactly how I felt with this... With that said I still think the art was decent, your lines are okay but I think your understanding of proportion needs work, Angela felt like she was 4ft tall in comparison to Fedra's 6ft in some panels and in others she felt like she was almost the same height. I also think you need to work on your water colouring skills. I don't know if it is the quality of WC's you're using or just a lack of understanding of the medium but these are really washy and desaturated. They also get muddy when you start to mix the colours together. I'm not sure what your technique is perhaps you needto slow down, or layer more, I would definitely tell you not to use local colour. Ergo just because a suit is black doesn't mean you should use the black water colour....black can be made with a combination of other colours and this will give your art a much richer feel, the same can be said for all the other colours, either make them with a combination of other colours or augment the local colour with others. Good battel you two I was impressed..

angie i really like your pages! your colors are great! and my last two pages yeah, they're weird. Maybe they need a kind of stop between the story and the "music video". But i really enjoyed doing them :)

Airlight-Thanks! Yeah I'll try to start incorporating things like that into my backgrounds, I'm slowly getting there but for some reason I always forget to include small details like fire hydrants and stuff. The crowd was kind of tough to balance, I was looking at refs to figure out how to do it but I think I got too caught up in drawing just a fuckton of people. Drawdan-Thanks, glad to hear you enjoy my work! Been trying hard at doing better layouts and stuff so I'm glad it's paid off. Glad everyone's enjoyed the comic so far, doing a battle without action is always a challenge so I'm glad most of you seem to have liked it despite the lack of fighting.

I to, do not understand the last two pages Bril. It was like some weird pop art Void testimonial. Its obviouse that you had fun drawing it, but it was something that would ave made moe sence in a beyond battle. The work before it was decent, but your page layouts occasional caused me to wonder. Your anatomy is decent but you need to tighten your layouts and focus the page more. Try to decide what the most imprtant action on each page is ad work your layout towards that message. Movement of the readers eye is very important and makes the comic so much more enjoyable. Ang, awesome as usual. I really admire the color work in your comics. Youranatomy has gotten better and better but your storyteling/scripting, page layouts and color are always what I look foward to in one of your comics.

Angieness> Your coloring is fantastic. As I mentioned once to you before, I did enjoy the cuts style you were attempting compared with what you were working with before. It gives you work a whole new atmosphere to it compared to your previous battles and complements your inking style nicely. I hope you try experimenting with it more. I think you also seem to be stepping up on the detail balance of your backgrounds and sense of depth, some of the choices of angles and shots were especially great, like the auditorium with the audience- though I don't think putting in such large and time-consuming crowds is a necessity- it reminded me of those gatherings in cities like New York during New Years Eve countdowns, and streets typically have a wider dispersion of people than that. Cars, streets, and traffic would be a good choice of alternative focus as well, so you don't have to cram hundreds of people together, or clearer distinguishable commercial/shopping avenues and street embellishments such as fire hydrants/benches/streetlights/decorative bushes/trees would also give you a less pressing need to stuff crowds, which in turn would make your backgrounds resemble more of a city. Lastly, I know how concerned you are with boring audiences with a non-action battle, but comics are essentially about story, anyway, and if people can't read through this just because it's not action, its their fault. I liked how Fedra reminded Angela of Robin, I thought that was an interesting tidbit to go off of, and some of the dialogue at the beginning was witty, like how he was talking how Angela getting coffee was absurd at 6 AM and expecting her to get some from Italy. Brilliantik>.. what was up with that song and dance at the end. That kind of botched up the serious flow for me, since this was a collaborative effort. Keep in mind that ending is important as the central content, it's supposed to leave a lasting impression on the reader for the entirety of the story, and this battle was like eating sweet chocolate cake only to find some weird bitter flavor lingering in my mouth as an aftertaste. That aside, you did have some decent perspective establishing shots in there, though the pacing between panels seemed rather rugged. When I saw the panel with the note to Angela, I had no idea where it came from until I looked back to the previous panel to notice a not-very-emphasized Masked Men slipping it to her. I also thought the dialogue could probably be pushed a little further between Fedra and Angie at P2's bar , it would have made the sudden attack scene have more impact on the reader, but you did have a good build up going on towards the beginning. The blood effect you attempted with the thick paint was also an interesting touch, but the strokes of the brush didn't always follow the trajectory of the direction Angela was swiping her arms, making the action rather muddled. Your backgrounds were some of your strongest points artwise, though from time to time you seem to neglect to include them especially in the entirety of action scenes. Taking a closer look, there were also some anatomical inconsistencies in areas where the head got slightly larger where it showed more of the body or profile shots started to look strange. Your coloring could also be pushed by applying more solid shadows to add to the depth of your characters, as well, its rather soft and faded, tending to give things a misleadingly flat appearance when you boast depth by your handle on backgrounds. Otherwise, it was a pretty good read, you two, great work.

Fox, thanks! Yeah, Angie's dialogue isn't as colorful in this comic since she was all serious business since she was on a job. I would never ever drop her colorful dialogue forever.

Bril your stuff started off strong but got really weird towards the end. Not to mention the hard time I had reading it. What's with the music video about void at the end? I must have missed it. Angie great stuff, I like the 90's coloring. It might just be me, but I'm use to angela having a little more colorful dialog but then again this works. So good stuff.

awesome dude! Alas I cannot put it up until I get back home since I don't have access to the FTP here, but I'll be putting this and the Hiemie/Soldat match up when I return on Friday :D

uploaded at last!!!

XD there's no thanksgiving here. So I'm sure brilliantik wasn't really factoring that in.

As a reminder (although I don't think it applies to Brilliantik) since this battle is due the day before Thanksgiving you will still be expected to turn in on time. I personally will not be putting up any battles until the 27th or 28th as I will be out of town and not have access to the FTP. But remember that our other battle uploader is Canadian and does not have the same Thanksgiving as us Americans so don't take it as "oh Angie's out of town, we get a few extra days!" since Wei will still be around to put battles up.

I had to say something huh?

you'll have to wait a bit longer now Mrnoitaull, Brilliantik got an extension.

ugh! Can someone make Nov 22nd like tomorrow? thanks

Thanks! Yep, my side is in color. And I am now uploaded and finished and all that goodness.

Hope your doin color work on this battle Ang...Ive always admired how polished it is...

I hope that the world is ready for the thumbnails I have chosen for this battle.

yummy yummy yummy i got something in my tummy and it feels so nice and Good.

le gasp! *awaits while head implodes* :D

Can...not...wait!!!!!!

Probably waaaay TMI felle!

i touch myself while waiting for the excitement to drop

interested to see what happens here..

angieness: Brilliantik: this is gonna hurt... Just give it your best dude, we're here to have fun :D sure :P :)

Brilliantik: this is gonna hurt... Just give it your best dude, we're here to have fun :D

This should prove intriguing on both ends. Looking forward to what you two crank out!

aahhh i'll never have enough <3 good luck!

this is gonna hurt...

WORK HARD, GUYS! I know you will! <3

Go shony go! do the orph proud.

Angie is gonna kick some ass. I have behind the scenes knowledge that lets me know this :P

And oh god, I just realized this'll be done right before the holidays and black Friday. Dodged a bullet right there.

Sexy times!

Sex.

GAsp!!!

Yay, look forward to doing this. Been a while since I've been able to battle!