Speed Death Tournament 2020, Round 2 / Antares vs. Bubbha Grimmaw vs. Charming and Party

Speed Death Tournament 2020, Round 2 — Antares vs. Bubbha Grimmaw vs. Charming and Party

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TheCydork
Artist
606 comments
# 18   Posted: Jan 10 2021, 10:07 PM
Was rereading this for Best of Void and god I forgot to comment on this too I’m so sorry! I definitely typed something out, but my phone has a habit of overriding Void’s system and wiping comments if I navigate away :/

Chimaeric - It was really cool how you adapted the characters to fit your universe! Even Bubbha Grimmaw didn’t look out of place in this sort of grim fairytale world, despite being from a completely different genre. The deaths were also so fucking cool. I loved that you linked Charming back to his original iteration by having him turn into an actual radish!

Symon - Wasn’t so sure how the ship ended up crashing, but I think this lineless style of yours shines against the black backdrop of space! Antares’ was stylised particularly nicely.

Artofjoe - This honestly blew me away. The amount of work you got done in a week is incredible. Now obviously, quantity over quality, and many pages WERE repeats, but the writing was excellent and flowed really well. I sometimes have difficulty sitting through even 10+ page comics, but I sat and read all of this in one sitting. I was super curious how Crate would skew this trial in Charming’s favour and really enjoyed the twists. The best part is that the way you wrote it, a reader could make guesses themselves (as opposed to a couple of crime shows I’ve seen where they solve things offscreen using information the audience wouldn’t have known at all). Like the money dough thing! Excellent comic.

Symon_says
Artist
167 comments
# 17   Posted: Feb 21 2020, 10:23 AM
Thanks everyone for your comments and critiques. I was glad to get my hands into the sdt finally and had fun with my new characters. Artofjoe and Chimaeric your entries were superb and I wish I could have got a couple more clear pages into my submission. Practice makes perfect and I feel like a dry pen.

I'll keep working at it ya'll!

tomatoes_and_radiowire
4 comments
# 16   Posted: Feb 20 2020, 11:00 PM
It’s really hard to know what to critique you all on because I feel like this is the most improved group of the tournament. Even you chimaeric, though you are a veteran with a huge reputation you really amped up the writing compared to the last one and the interpretations where kind of out of left field but it in a way that felt really good and natural. My only critique would probably be that Antares needs some flaws/weaknesses. Like she seems like a bit of a static character in the sense that I can’t see her growing as a person, just kind of wandering around issuing death sentences.

Symon: god I love B and G. I love your writing too, but in comics, clarity is key! Make sure we know what is going on even if someone has to say it in the dialogue

A of J: nice. As a writer I love a good long story. A little confused about who is really guilty and how Antares felt about everything but the pacing and entertainment kind of soothed and smoothed over places that felt off so it all worked out for me in the end.

All in all great job guys

Flutterbyes
Artist
299 comments
# 15   Posted: Feb 20 2020, 03:32 PM
Chimaeric: I like this world you've built, and the way you've incorporated Charming's posse into the storytelling (a three-way battle AND multiple characters)! This is one of those comics where things are explained enough so that they hook up and work in a dreamy, poetic sense... but I still have questions about somethings. That said, for a one off story with characters who will not show up again that will probably go in very different territory in the next match, it works. Ending on an old world Jack O Lantern was a good touch.

Symon: Some good images, and a good job blending very disparate characters together, but I don't think they're melding together quite right.  You are definitely making progress, though. I like the idea of them actually having very little to do with each other (and some of the antics that happened), but it came off a little vague.

Art of Joe: That's... that's just Ace Attorney. I mean that in a good way (but maybe also a bad way, a little bit). What makes it work is that it's basically Ace Attorney, down to the beats of the dialog, and your dedication to the concept sells it in a way anything less wouldn't have. I could practically hear the music in my head. That said, the non-Ace Attorney ending kind of took away from it for me (but the final panel! Oh wow).


Flytee
Community Manager
350 comments
# 14   Posted: Feb 20 2020, 05:55 AM
Joe- hats off to you, your work ethic and productivity is clearly god-tier.
I love how creative you've been with both the visuals and the storytelling choices, courtroom drama wouldn't be the first thing to pop into my head for a SDT!  
WRITING- Flowed really nicely, my attention didn't wander at all despite the fact this was just one big conversation. Bravo.
ART- Your art is a little rough around the edges at times, but It ultimately works for me, I think your charming presentation / good handle of visual humour and comedic timing help a lot.

Symon- Visually this is an improvement on that last round! I feel like you have taken some crits onboard which is nice to see. I do agree with past crits surrounding the action there are some clarity issues. Nice work though, looking forward to seeing what you do in the future.

Chimaeric- The arts fantastic, I could honestly sing its praises all day. I particularly enjoyed your interruption of all these characters, especially the princes hotness haha. I loved the surreal story and the ending was great. Amusing but creepy, probably my favorite death out of this batch of battles.
Oh and obviously, I absolutely love Antares, I just want to see what antics she wrapped up in next.

Artofjoe
Artist
27 comments
# 13   Posted: Feb 20 2020, 03:33 AM
Bobo: Was the end implying that Charming DID kill Jo-Anne, or was Antares just sensing past murders?
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I intentionally left it interpretable, so I'm happy you asked.
This isn't really an answer to those questions, but some food for thought.
 Crate and Antares believe Charming shot Jo-Anne, even though the evidence in court proved the opposite. Irl, defense attorneys have to defend clients that they believe are guilty all the time and, if they are really good lawyers, those guilty men often go free. In AA your client is always innocent and either a witness or the prosecutor is the true culprit.  I thought it would be a fun subversion of the AA formula to have the DA think their client was guilty but still pin the crime on the witness like they do in AA.
At the end, Antares mentions she still senses corruption and then we see her true colors and that she is actually a corrupt judge, so the corruption she was sensing might've been her own and not Charming's. But who can say? ;)

Rose
Web Dev
1180 comments
# 12   Posted: Feb 19 2020, 09:20 PM
I love how these characters are all from such different worlds!

Eric, you elevated Prince Charming's world from a goofy one to a high fantasy one, and that change of genre is super cool to see. All the characters looked so good in your style.

Symon, I love how the way you killed off your opponents ended up being purely by accident; just another trail of bodies along their bath. And that reveal about Bubbha at the end was so cool; I really want to know more!

Artofjoe, I love seeing characters reinterpreted in your style. It's very simple, but still really fun and varied. I've never actually played any of the Ace Attorney games, but I can definitely feel the inspiration nonetheless. I felt like I was solving the mystery right along with Crate. Was the end implying that Charming DID kill Jo-Anne, or was Antares just sensing past murders?

Sorry I don't have time for a full crit, but I just wanted to make sure I read these and voted before it was too late! I had a lot of fun, and look forward to more from all of you!

Temfist
4 comments
# 11   Posted: Feb 19 2020, 12:13 PM
Chimaeric: It was fun seeing ArtofJoe's characters in your style, and while the dwarf is supposed to be a mute it was interesting seeing him talk and given some unique personality even if the purpose of the character is to be a gag. The way you portrayed Charming seems rather the complete opposite of how he normally is in Joe's rendition of the character, so while it was interesting to see him as some sort of tragic prince, his whole "cosmic curse" thing really would, to my knowledge, be more Love-Craftian in nature, driving people insane if not burning them alive since it's cosmic "hotness", but I give you some points for creativity even if it's not the fight I expected to see. The ending was a neat reference to all hollows eve with the carved gourd head thing, but seemed a rather gruesome ending for what you portrayed as a tragic, practically innocent prince. Overall a pretty fun to read comic, I like the overall epic tale feel to it, nice work.

Symon_Says: I was looking forward to seeing if you were gonna make some sort of space battle and give Charming and Antares their own ships or something, or at least seeing an actual battle between the characters. By page 5 (which is really page 4 if we remove the title page) I started not being able to follow what was really happening anymore. I feel like you have a lot of potential and that color should be a low priority so long as your art is readable if you were pressed for time. In the future I would like to see you at least do a rough draft and then clean up of it, for the entire comic first, so that even if you are running out of time, you can at least tell the whole story the way you want in a way that reads clearly. The panels just stopped making sense to me, I felt like there was a lack of context for what was happening. If you need to add narration pans for expository information, don't be afraid too, it's almost necessary when dealing with science fiction elements that are meant to increase the stakes of whats happening if the viewer doesn't know how the what the stakes are of a hull breach in space, or like how in this comic you have the ship collide with what appears to be another ship with no context from the characters as to what happened, only that the barrier is now down.

Keep working at visual storytelling, if you could storyboard a film/animation with your panels than your doing the most visual story telling possible, but that is not always realistic in comics so its up to you to find the balance between communicating visuals and context in a comic, and I think you certainly can. Overall a good effort, I want to see more of your work and to see you grow, you did a good job at  character design/illustration.

ArtofJoe: Wowowow. Mad Lad indeed. You really set the bar here at what is possible in the time frame given when it comes to not just quantity but the amount of context for whats happening, and the dedication to satire, as is your style, is highly appreciated with the whole Phoenix Write Ace Attorney thing. As with most people, I never played the games, but despite that, I enjoyed the satire. That is an accomplishment. The framing of the characters mimics the games exactly, which is, in my bias opinion perhaps actually hurting the visual communication of the characters position, since we go from Crate and Pinochio being Left and Right side of the room, to seeing an establishing  shot of them flipped when we go to the POV of the person on the stand. I guess the game did that too so not much you can do there when your parodying it.

I gotta say, I absolutely love the way you bring everyone else's characters into a spotlight where they feel like you are almost giving them more likability and making me want to see even more of them than when I see them in their own comic, which means you are really thinking about not just how the viewer will read and enjoy other peoples characters, but your also finding creative ways to make those characters fit into your world, what an accomplishment. I also am amused by the irony of how the characters are killed practically by mistake when Charming would normally let them live (I guess it's been fortunate for Charming that 2 of the 3 contestants were females thus his policy of not going out of his way to kill them on purpose really makes sense lol).

The overall length of the comic is a bit daunting to read, the vertical scroll format certainly makes it easier to digest, though I'd suggest using proper panel spacing in the vertical format so that multiple panels aren't visible at a time when they are supposed to be a full screen composition. I'm really impressed, and want to see more of Charming, and more specifically your style of writing and sheer creativity in handling others characters in this tournament. Try to focus on stuff that won't burn you out in the future though, your poor wrist must have been aching. Great job getting it done!

Temfist
4 comments
# 10   Posted: Feb 19 2020, 12:04 PM
Dang cruddy internet, I double posted cause I wasn't sure if it actually posted, whoopsie.

Gregly
Artist
200 comments
# 9   Posted: Feb 18 2020, 05:13 PM
jong your use of details, different brushes and dynamic angles makes this comic very readable. i like the energy emanating when the throne room door is opened and how the lighting changes, it feels like the climax! im also fond of all the wispy cloudy effects especially in the first panel.

symon im not sold on the jaggedy panel borders but i do like the way you separate up your pages and your sense of timing. i read this again and im still not quite sure what's happening when the action kicks in. these are cool characters but it's too bad they didn't actually meet their opponents this round. the explosion effect on the last page is very satisfying.

joe this was great, everyone got their own chance to shine and the story flows well. i laughed when bubbha starts shooting off in court. i'm super impressed that you were able to put together and animate and organize all these pages, and the six 'traditional' pages at the end look great AND have backgrounds in every panel. superb stuff for one week!

Reecer6
Artist
365 comments
# 8   Posted: Feb 17 2020, 08:26 AM
jong: you do not need me to tell you that your art is incredible and your lines and brush strokes are great and you have an excellent eye for what should and should not be rendered and also your effects are phenomenal, but i will say it anyway. just a really dang-ass-good comic!!! the reinterpretation of charming as this friggin' unmeltable nuclear plant is very clever and fun. his story definitely got a bit more attention than grimmaw, but he's kinda inherently hard to reconcile with your characters, so i understand. my one complaint is that the effigy bit, while Cool and Intentful, seemed kinda out of left field? like "hey you're about to die so i just spent two seconds making you a statuette, also it's fire." didn't really fit the pacing to me. but other than that YOU ARE VERY STRONG AND POWERFUL

symon: in terms of art quality and finishedness therein, this is definitely a step up from your last comic! but storywise, it's honestly really weak. your opponents do not at all get a chance to demonstrate their individuality; you could've stuck literally any of your opponents in this comic instead with minor dialogue changes. their fates are quick and random; i get that it's a gag that grimmaw kills them accidentally, but by doing that you berieve the entire comic of a plot. this comic doesn't have a plot! in the end, grimmaw just see this alien, that's all that's happened of consequence. also, i feel like trying to mimic joe's style with his characters when you already went realistic for your and jong's characters was a strange decision. still, in general, you did have a strong compositional intent with this and you followed through.

joe: is that a trumpet in your hand? have i been nominated as antares' replacement? because i am the judge and you are EXTREMELY PLAYING TO ME. like i know you made this for this site as a whole and also for yourself but actually you made this for me because i love this soooo muchhhh! so many fun sprites, all this DANG WORK compositing sprites with textboxes and pasting things over and over and also the courtroom looks real good; it's a lot of effort i really appreciate!! of course i have my nitpicks and my nitpicks are basically "you did not perfectly mimick the format, come on, center-aligned text?? courier new when you could be using the existing aa font??" but at that point you could just take screenshots of pywright or something, i guess some artistry would be lost, so i respect it. and then if that's not enough you threw a good chunk of a normal-ass comic on the end so EVEN THE CURMUDGEONS WHO AREN'T BEING DIRECTLY APPEALED TO ARE SATED. of course, the writing was fun! i enjoyed it! antares didn't feel antares-y (or really much of an entity at all) as a judge, but you made up for that at the end. i just think, i dunno, maybe she should've been the prosecutor instead of another invented character. grimmaw was definitely better characterized in his place as witness. you may not possess the strength of a thousand comic artists like jong, but dang if you didn't go all out in the ways that you could, which is great, and made this a suspenseful fight!

also yeah gonna agree with heathen, it reads better when you have to click through. i mean, i have a registered bias against vertical scrolling comics, but i like the dialogue having to take place through actual time rather than space!

Heathen
Artist
462 comments
# 7   Posted: Feb 16 2020, 01:44 PM
Artofjoe: Hey guys, sorry the comic is so many "pages" long, it was supposed to be a vertical scrolling comic. If you want to read it in a better and quicker format, go here: http://mycomicimagedump.blogspot.com/2020/02/charming-vs-antares-vs-bubbha-grimmaw.html?m=1
This was how I thought I could format it.
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Maybe I was just lucky not having any issues loading the pages, but honestly, the comic works much better as individual pages. It really feels like playing Phoenix Wright. Being able to see the next panels while you're looking at the current one messes up the whole flow and suspense of the story and makes it read too quickly. So I say it turned out better for the format here.

Artofjoe
Artist
27 comments
# 6   Posted: Feb 14 2020, 04:28 AM
Hey guys, sorry the comic is so many "pages" long, it was supposed to be a vertical scrolling comic. If you want to read it in a better and quicker format, go here: http://mycomicimagedump.blogspot.com/2020/02/charming-vs-antares-vs-bubbha-grimmaw.html?m=1
This was how I thought I could format it.

kubo
Artist
167 comments
# 5   Posted: Feb 14 2020, 01:28 AM
Woof! What an Doozy! What a second round!

Chimaeric: I am really loving your inks. These pages are beautiful. 11 pages in a week with that detail is no joke. I really enjoyed your take on your opponants' characters; you made them fit into your world but still kept their personalities alive and faithful. Great job!

Symon_says: Dude, you really went for it in this comic! Definitely a step up from your first round entry. I think the only thing I can recommend is giving some of your action scenes a bit more love. On my first read through I totally thought that you'd be disqualified for not killing off you opponents. But after rereading the second to the last page I realized what actually happened. I think a little more clarity there could have gone a long way. I really enjoyed the fact that their escape was all in vain. Such a star crossed meeting.

Artofjoe: JEEEEEEEZ! What the heck?! What a monstrous comic. I commend you on your zeal! I've never played a Phoenix Wright game but I think it doesn't matter; the story you told and the format in which you told it in was fun and easy to understand. However, its length almost killed me. The site crashed multiple times while I was trying to load a new page and I was a bit nervous at the start to dedicate my time to it. In the end it was worth it, though. I really enjoyed Crate's journey though this case and your reveal of clues and revelations was a lot of fun to experience. Excellent work here!

ArtsandGoodies
Artist
566 comments
# 4   Posted: Feb 13 2020, 11:25 PM
Chimera: Your art is amazing and i love the way you do backgrounds and the setting you have here. I really enjoy all the lore and worldbuilding in this. While the gun felt out of place i do think you overall did a god job implementing Bubbha to this. You're a great artist and I love your style so i don't really have any other crits and love your stuff.

Symon: that font is looking good and the bubble placement is much better. I do also like the general color choice for this comic the coloring looks nice. However the line art has a couple issues, mainly there is variety in the line art. It seems that you're not working with any pen pressure so you should look into getting that fixxed and adding pen pressure so your lines can have an interesting variety. You could also just go full lineless as your colors are nice and look best without the lines. either way good job with this comic.

Art of Joe: 192 FUCKING PAGES, YOU ARE THE MADDEST OF LADS. even if they were all literally the same panel with different text that would still be massive, but you have different panels with detailed backgrounds and animations. Please get some rest and take care of your body. also this was super bold and i have nothing but respect for it and as someone who never played any of the ace attorney games still enjoyed this. If you deicede to do this type of thing again i would say limit yourself to 150 pages (Jesus christ just saying that is insane) as this huge page number is definitely make it hard for people to read and rate this comic. Still I really need to see you bring someone in through battle pass and do a comic on a longer deadline if you can do this much in one week, but keep yourself healthy while doing it please.

Symon_says
Artist
167 comments
# 3   Posted: Feb 13 2020, 10:35 AM
Very cool you two I absolutely enjoyed your entries! The renditions of Bubbha and Grimmaw were splendid.
8D

Symon_says
Artist
167 comments
# 2   Posted: Feb 8 2020, 01:29 PM
You bet'chyea slim! I reckon it'll be a good ol' barn burner! Best o' luck to ye folks.

Artofjoe
Artist
27 comments
# 1   Posted: Feb 5 2020, 03:16 AM
A 3 way!? XD ooooh boy. I hope I can cook up a good idea!

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