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Hiemie
Artist
511 comments
# 22   Posted: Jul 31 2010, 10:25 PM
ZigZagZero: You possess a skill that allows you to put a beat, rythm and music into a comic. I love musicals the classics and each time I read one of your musomic I trip out. You must be a hell of a dancer!
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I disagree.

ZigZagZero
41 comments
# 21   Posted: Jul 31 2010, 09:39 PM
You possess a skill that allows you to put a beat, rythm and music into a comic. I love musicals the classics and each time I read one of your musomic I trip out. You must be a hell of a dancer!

Kevin Birtcher
Allfather
289 comments
# 20   Posted: Jul 31 2010, 03:25 PM
Another notable example of using lyrics in a VOID comic:
http://entervoid.com/comic.php?id=90

While I don't think there's anything wrong with the idea, most people didn't 'get' that one either.  Although, it's not Sheldon's best work, and that could be an influence as well.

michaelharris
Artist
353 comments
# 19   Posted: Jul 31 2010, 12:31 AM
I think the main problem is that, this doesn't mean anything to anyone but you. There is no opening for people to connect with it. If there had been some sort of story that you could have drawn in conjunction with the music,  maybe we could have garnered something from it.

On a personal note, I live in the third gayest city in the US. It was goth night at the gay bar tonight. I don't know if it is just me but this wasn't shocking at all. This wasn't really anything new. I don't know if this is a topic that is very close to your heart, but shocking sexuality/coming out of the closet/gay stories are cliche to me. If you want me to connect with this, give me a story or a person who is going through something. Not just lyrics and pin ups.

E.W. Schneider
Artist
1070 comments
# 18   Posted: Jul 30 2010, 08:44 AM
This would probably have more impact or would mean anything if you actually drew the scene with the people, instead of these emotional-less happy people cavorting around in SM gear. We might be able to get behind your message of 'FUCK YOU PARENTS/RELIGION I'M A MODERN GAY' if you had given us real people or images. Perhaps our "protagonist" could have played the song when they ran into their room away from "mommy dearest". The viewer can't care for anyone you're writing for if we're presented with these few lines of dialogue without any face to it (short story/novels excluded of course, but this isn't that either).

Music usage in comics is kind of weak at best, considering we can't hear whatever song you're listening to or it lacking relevance. If you want to make a music video, you should learn animation or filming and make it. You obviously know what you want from it, you could probably make it work if you tried for it. It can work in comics and people have given examples of it, but this isn't the best medium for it.

Your anatomy is looking better though.

I hope next time you go back to something with a little more substance, this is 'teasing' at best.

Hiemie
Artist
511 comments
# 17   Posted: Jul 29 2010, 03:44 PM
Maybe it's the Madonna that isn't making it work.

Or maybe it's because you made the images far too discordant. This is your second gays coming out and getting in trouble with the "ignorant masses" comic, isn't it. Both of them had Madonna songs too.

Dr.Salt
Artist
96 comments
# 16   Posted: Jul 29 2010, 12:09 PM
Brilliantik: Experimenting IS good and very important!
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An experiment is good if the results are worthwhile. I think this, and "Get Off My Street", provide conclusive findings.

Sid_Bane
Artist
53 comments
# 15   Posted: Jul 25 2010, 09:54 PM
I don't follow Madonna or her musical ilk, so when I read this the first time (and I re-read it after looking at the link to the music video) I didn't really get it, which to me means that this story is relying way too much on the song.  
Honestly, I'm perfectly fine with using music as a source of inspiration, but there is a certain balance between reflecting an  aesthetic or a theme of a certain type of music in your art, and relying too much on a literal retelling of a song or music video.  
And, for me, the visuals don't match the subtext story-telling of a coming out scene (which to me, is the more interesting part). The story of a girl coming out to her mother is on a deeper emotional and psychological level then the visuals. To be blunt, the visuals just look like a post-modern retelling of Rocky Horror Picture Show. Yes, the coming out story does deal with sexuality, but it also deals with issues such as romantic love, conflict with traditional values, and the desire for acceptance. The visuals just strike me more as "Hey look! Some sex!". If you did want to include elements of a song, I would recommend more of what CrimsonViper suggested.
I agree that experimentation is a very good thing. But, it is also through experimentation in which you find out what works and what doesn't. And honestly, to me this just doesn't work that well.

ledes87
Artist
55 comments
# 14   Posted: Jul 25 2010, 09:10 PM
A ver, a ver ; qué pasó?

michaelharris
Artist
353 comments
# 13   Posted: Jul 25 2010, 09:00 PM
what were you trying to convey with this?

CrimsonViper38
34 comments
# 12   Posted: Jul 25 2010, 08:32 PM
This comic comes off to me like just a bunch of poses straight out of a sketchbook. No backgrounds or world of any kind. The random solid black panels feel like filler and fluff. The poses ARE nice, but the song lyrics/music video approach just seems lazy or misguided.

Perhaps a more effective way to add a song is to add a small sample of lyrics in the background (i.e. a jukebox playing in the background) over a series of panels. You could have lyrics supplement the story or your characters' dialouge, or even have the character 'be reminded of the lyrics to this song', etc..

An alternate method is the Watchmen method, where at the end of each chapter, there was a small quote box with a line from a song which often related to the last panels of the chapter or the entire chapter's theme. This approach is also nice because, if planned carefully, the reader can make the connection between the song and the comic on their own. If they do, they may feel like they found a new layer of depth to what they just read, and get a small thrill out of it.

fowlie
Artist
177 comments
# 11   Posted: Jul 25 2010, 08:05 PM
Between what lines?  The lines of song lyrics to read the dialog of a girl coming out to her mom?  I agree that experimenting is good and very important and what void is for at the end of the day, but if people can't understand your story, it kind've misses the point of comics.  Comics are a visual story telling medium.  Key word being visual. Use the art to tell the story, don't relay on a song most people don't even know.

I don't know if song lyrics ever work in comics, it always comes off reading like a bad poem when I read them.

Maybe try experimenting with some wordless comics.  Have the panels tell the story rather then complicate it like they did here.

Brilliantik
Artist
43 comments
# 10   Posted: Jul 25 2010, 07:29 PM
Experimenting IS good and very important!

It's just reading between lines... That's the secret of this comic

mickequ
Artist
26 comments
# 9   Posted: Jul 25 2010, 07:18 PM
No, you really need to know the song to get it. I've never heard this song and I have no idea what this is about. Unless it's about an army of guys in corsets who travel around leaning in matching rectangular windows belittling lesbians? I get that you're experimenting, but I don't understand the purpose of this comic other than just as pure experiment. Not to say that experimenting isn't good or important, but.... I just don't get it, I guess!

Brilliantik
Artist
43 comments
# 8   Posted: Jul 25 2010, 07:11 PM
i think only angie got the idea behind the comic...

yeah i know that is weird to mix music and comic, but i'm here ir order to experiment things. In this comic i tried to join what the song was saying with the story behind it.

And i think in this one you don't need to know the song to get it.

Angie
Council
1937 comments
# 7   Posted: Jul 25 2010, 07:45 AM
Amy: Wait, this was a song or something?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS6FCoq349o

Amaloo
Artist
76 comments
# 6   Posted: Jul 25 2010, 07:18 AM
Wait, this was a song or something?

PyrasTerran
Artist
1513 comments
# 5   Posted: Jul 24 2010, 11:26 PM
I wanna like it, but I don't know what's going on in the slightest...

Am I missing something? I feel like that one guy in a group of art enthusiasts, all looking at this bizarre piece of art in a recently opened gallery, and I'm the only one that doesn't seem to see what everyone else is seeing.

William_Duel
Community Manager
943 comments
# 4   Posted: Jul 24 2010, 09:15 PM
Whatever you were going for, I think whatever you're going for is a bit too...high brow I guess.  I agree with Angie, I just don't think you've been very successful with the whole music video/comic thing.  But your figures and people seem to be getting better.  That's cool.

Njhinesjr
Artist
94 comments
# 3   Posted: Jul 24 2010, 08:29 PM
The art is decent, nice figures....have no clue what's going on.


Angie
Council
1937 comments
# 2   Posted: Jul 24 2010, 07:25 PM
I think the comic looks nice but I think you need to step away from the whole musical thing since that's like 3 comics now where a song played a prominent part of the story. The big problem about doing comics like this is the entire comic is going to be lost on people who don't know the song and video so people that don't know them are going to be like wtf? A fun little musical comic is fine every now and then but I feel like it's become a crutch for you. While there's a story hidden beneath the song part, I was a lot more interested in seeing what was going on with the characters that were speaking instead of seeing all these scantily clad people redoing a Madonna video.

I'd like to see you do another more concrete comic with a whole story in the future instead of relying on a song to do the talking.

Brilliantik
Artist
43 comments
# 1   Posted: Jul 24 2010, 03:03 PM
I've been away for a long time

Hope you enjoy it!

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