Graft vs. Wynn

Graft vs. Wynn

Graft vs. Wynn

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by JAZ

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1037 points
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snager
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53 comments
# 45   Posted: Sep 15 2020, 01:34 PM
this is the first comic from the 'random comic' section that is so old, the pages from one of the challengers are no longer supported by the 3rd party image host. which is such a shame because I was really digging the pages we still have from Jaz. very compelling stuff from 10 years back. I wonder where they're at, now?

Monday
Artist
937 comments
# 44   Posted: Dec 23 2010, 11:54 AM
Drawing Time:     1 weeks
Ended:    February 14th, 2010
Minimum Pages:    3
Votes Cast:    45
Page Views:    666
Winner:    JAZ

(Pi)
Artist
475 comments
# 43   Posted: Feb 14 2010, 10:50 PM
dan, something i've learned from doing the sdt a couple times is that photoshop is not the shortcut you think it is, haha. i think it finally hit me after the second or third time. the characters aren't always that bad, but i think consistency is the biggest issue. i'm assuming you lost a bit of time, which led to the drawings not being as consistent. diggin the throwback in the last page, hoping to see you around more in the near future.

jaz, amazing work. it really blew me away. the colors, the themes, the pacing; i really felt like it his all the right notes where it needed to. i would've liked to see the relationship between mother and graft mentioned earlier, or at least played up more when it was revealed. it sorta came out of nowhere, and then was right at the end, so it was kind of brushed off without a chance to really address it. in any case, damn fine comic, it's awesome to see how far you've come from your first comic with tekka. keep it up!

JAZ
Artist
114 comments
# 42   Posted: Feb 14 2010, 09:19 AM
Carlito: Thanks man, it’s nice to know that some people really enjoy my comics, especially after the amount of work put into them.  
Don’t hold back on the critiques for my art though (or my writing for that matter), I joined this site to improve, and I can’t do that without them.
Also, you’re not kidding about pressure! Shooting for the final 3 seems a bit crazy at this point. How about I just try not to die in the next round? hahaha.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
462 comments
# 41   Posted: Feb 13 2010, 12:50 PM
You couldn't be more right, Carlito. Toast would argue that I had too much time for that Beyond battle, and he would also be right... though it was a lot more relaxed and spaced out and working around other things wasn't as much as an issue. I took short cuts in this one to try and get a more finished product, and in doing so left out a few things that would have helped a lot more then shitty colors. This will not happen again. Now that that Beyond Battle is up, I have a level of quality that I will force myself not to fall under. Keep an eye out.

carlito
Artist
375 comments
# 40   Posted: Feb 13 2010, 09:02 AM
Dan- Less pages, more backgrounds. Pretty much what everyone else has said. Pretty good story though, and awesome character. The difference between this and the toast battle though... even minus the angie's coloring is drastic! So I don't know if it was having less time or doing less pages that effected that, but you probably do, and can adjust to put forth that kind of quality each battle... although with a week, I know it's hard.

Jaz- God. You're so good. You are such a great storyteller it's kinda hard to crit you, cause the art almost doesn't matter... I mean the art is good too which is a plus, but unlike many other comic makers on the site you SLAY people with your storytelling skills. It's hard to beat that, and it's an AWESOME card to hold. I pick you to go to the final three. PRESSURE!

JAZ
Artist
114 comments
# 39   Posted: Feb 11 2010, 01:08 PM
Rofl: Thanks man. Looking back, I can see what you mean. Ugh, and those damn glowy eyes are making it worse. Ah well, live and learn I guess.
 
Funny how both your character and mine are reborn by slicing through a dragon-like creature.
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Yeah, I thought that too! Except the chainsaw made it a helluva lot more epic hahaha. I hear you about the SFX. I’m surprised no one’s mentioned it in my previous comics, because I do it all the time. I guess I feel like my art isn’t really strong enough to give a clear picture of what’s going on… well… that, and it’s a random space filler hehehe. Maybe I’ll try and tone it down. Much thanks dude.

Rtv!
Artist
603 comments
# 38   Posted: Feb 11 2010, 09:06 AM
DanMan. The flat colours work well with your style, though that weird crispy outline around the characters is kinda disturbing. For example, when Wynn throws the knife at Graft.
I really dig the dialogue, it was short, simple and explained alot in little words. I'm jealous. The anger build-up from page 7 to 8 is epic and tense, but then on panel 2 of page 8 Graft throws a punch with little power. Kinda destroys the tension you built up from the page before that. Maybe use a big ass splash page or speedlines?
 However, panel one of page 9 has a fukking awesome angle that made me smile and got you extra creativity points ;)
You say yer battling alot this year?  Save one for me, it's been 7 years!

Jaz, that was a solid story! It took me a bit to get into it due to the shift from Gaft to Wynn's intro. But it became very interesting after seeing Wynn's rebirth. Funny how both your character and mine are reborn by slicing through a dragon-like creature. I loved it.
Some of the sound effects used are not really necessarry since your action speak louder than words. That means the picture is clear enough to tell what's going on without the sound effect being the action they perfm (ie. "shake", "Slump", "lean")
On page 9 the souls swirling around your character was REALLY creepy. Well done, would've been even more powerful if you used a wide or larger panel. Applause for the way you tied in the two stories!

See you guys in Hell.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
462 comments
# 37   Posted: Feb 11 2010, 03:00 AM
RoflQu - Definitely!  Thanks for all the kind words and the advice.... You'll get another taste very soon actually, though not for one of my characters... You'll see soon enough! And yes, I plan to battle this year, quite a lot actually! You interested?

JAZ - Haha, again, I apologize! Names and icons on VOID... after a few years of seeing all the different ones that were showing up, I stopped trying to figure it out... though had I paid more attention to your ARTIST page that says in huge letters "FEMALE"..... then maybe my retard moment could have been avoided!

E.W. Schneider
Artist
1060 comments
# 36   Posted: Feb 10 2010, 01:53 PM
Weird, accidentally moved on without me finishing.

JAZ: The limited color palette definitely worked in your favor and meshed really well with the heavy blacks. I think my only problems is that it when Wynn has the realization that he actually killed his friend, his face doesn't seem to mesh with what's being read. He seems a little too calm and collected. Awesome fight, can't wait to see more.

E.W. Schneider
Artist
1060 comments
# 35   Posted: Feb 10 2010, 01:51 PM
Dan: I fucking love this character. Cool design and everything, I sure hope you stay around a little this year and take on another battle!

I think Graft works better without a visible set of eyes and interior of the mouth, teeth and all. It kind of completes what's really a scary sort of design.  I'll also parrot the need for some backgrounds. Even just one at the start would have given us enough idea of where. Also, in the zoom in to the fire skull business on Graft's eye on page 7 would look so much better if you actually drew each zooming in panel and also the burning skeleton business instead of copying and resizing! All in all, this was a fun read though and I really do hope you do more in 2010!

JAZ:  Wow, love the textures and the everything.

JAZ
Artist
114 comments
# 34   Posted: Feb 10 2010, 12:29 PM
Josh: Thanks man. I know what you mean about the eyes. It seemed to work okay on the fire and Graft’s hands. Maybe it just looked cheesy over the black. But yeah, something I should try to avoid.

amazingdavid: Oh and Dan...I totally hope you pull this one out cuz I wanted to battle Graft so bad..he was definitely my favorite character created...shit..even if he dies I'm going to find some way to resurrect him...
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Heh, careful David, you might hurt my feelings.

Dan: Hahaha, don’t worry man, it’s not that big a deal… though I thought the name “Jaz” and the kitty cat icon would have been a dead giveaway… =)

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
462 comments
# 33   Posted: Feb 10 2010, 11:30 AM
It is officially "Dan Feels Like a Dunce" week here on VOID!

Jaz.... VERY sorry. Damn.... I suck.

Carlito... Haha! Nice, Sign me up in October! haha!

carlito
Artist
375 comments
# 32   Posted: Feb 10 2010, 11:16 AM
skullcapCOMIX: Haha Amazingdavid, if you found like 50 other people who agreed then I might have a chance haha! Just kidding. Jaz pulled out all the stops and threw up one of the best comics he's done for the site. I didn't. IOO'd much rather suffer the loss and learn from it then get a victory that he deserves.
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You always have OCTOBER: Month of the dead!
oh .... and Jaz is a chick.



DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
462 comments
# 31   Posted: Feb 10 2010, 09:25 AM
Haha Amazingdavid, if you found like 50 other people who agreed then I might have a chance haha! Just kidding. Jaz pulled out all the stops and threw up one of the best comics he's done for the site. I didn't. IOO'd much rather suffer the loss and learn from it then get a victory that he deserves.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
462 comments
# 30   Posted: Feb 10 2010, 09:21 AM
Haha thanks amazingdavid! haha We'll figure something out. I don't see how I can win... I don't deserve to, with the comic I turned in. Coulda done a lot better. Maybe we can do beyond battles or something, we'll figure something out.

amazingdavid
Artist
441 comments
# 29   Posted: Feb 9 2010, 08:58 PM
Oh and Dan...I totally hope you pull this one out cuz I wanted to battle Graft so bad..he was definitely my favorite character created...shit..even if he dies I'm going to find some way to resurrect him...

amazingdavid
Artist
441 comments
# 28   Posted: Feb 9 2010, 08:57 PM
this was probably the most evenly matched written story on the boards right now...I really enjoyed reading both.


JoshuaEliGilley
Artist
462 comments
# 27   Posted: Feb 9 2010, 04:22 PM
Dan: I liked your writing of grafts internal conflict and rage. Art wise, pg. 12 looks nice...not sure what you did different, but if they were all done like that one it would look good. That's all I got new to add except that  I hear you about that PTO! it's tough working all week plus a comic!

JAZ: OMGWTF  this was real damn good. I first saw the character and thought, "oh, it's a goth boy human version of Tekka"! haha luckily I was wrong. Really liked the story and characterizations, and the art was on par with that. I enjoyed your 2 sides of the story convene at the end writing. I think this is your most accomplished comic yet, good show. One thing crit-wise I wasn't feeling the soft edged glowy eyes on Wynn for example page 5. I think a nice contrasting flat color would work better. in general I think your inking style needs the flat colors no softies.

Quite enjoyed reading this match!

Angie
Council
1937 comments
# 26   Posted: Feb 9 2010, 03:33 PM
Nah it's fine, it's better than coming up with a really silly reason for them to intentionally meet

JAZ
Artist
114 comments
# 25   Posted: Feb 9 2010, 03:30 PM
Kuro: Thanks man. Heh… It’s funny you should mention that panel specifically. I had pencilled it a lot simpler and tried to make it more detailed when I inked. Not enough I guess haha. Suppose I could get rid of problems like that if I tried for quality over quantity next time.

Angie: Thanks. I kind of wanted to make it seem like the shadow “led” him there, so to speak. NO COINNIDENCES =P. Hehe, plus I have a thing for randomly bringing the fighters together at the end of my comics. Maybe that’s something I should get away from hmmm…

Angie
Council
1937 comments
# 24   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 09:42 PM
Dan-as a heads up, one thing that helps if you want to cheat and use the paint bucket tool is to use the magic wand to select what you want to color, then go up to select, expand selection, and increase it a few pixels. That way you don't get that white halo all over the place. (this is of course only if you're using photoshop) I was really interested in your character and I liked seeing what was going on internally with him. But story wise the tournament thing seemed kind of forced like it came out of nowhere, especially with the opponent randomly appearing.

Jaz-very solid entry! I think the limited color palette and texture worked very nicely here and gave the comic a whole vintage feel. I enjoyed the story a lot and look forward to seeing where you take this character. The only thing that bothered me is like with Dan's, the characters meeting up also felt kind of forced. It seemed a little convenient that he just randomly came across a beaten up Graft. But I do admit it was more interesting than a meet and hey let's fight scenario. Maybe hinting at the two meeting earlier on would have made it feel a little more natural.

Kuro
Artist
581 comments
# 23   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 09:10 PM
dan, one of the biggest issues i had was the same i had with carlito's battle actually. while it's fine to do the standard 'meet & beat' scenario, the lack of backgrounds or reference to where this confrontation takes place kind of takes me out of it. backgrounds are an intrinsic ingredient. the closest we ever get is the blimp thing but that doesn't really tell us about the where, just what's going on. then we get that alley kind of shot. but if they're in an alley way & the buildings are tight, how did that blimp fit in there? it's confusing. a clearer shot would have helped. if even just one shot to give us some sort of inkling. beyond that, with digital coloring, scan big & go to selection>expand by like a pixel or three before paintbucketing or filling areas. it's a good way to rid yourself of the annoying white specks where you missed coloring wise. also, grafts fingers really bugged me. i don't know why. sixtem makes a good point about the monologue, & more quality over the quantity here would have really helped.

jaz, at this point (not that i've read much all that many so far) i don't mind saying yours is my favorite at the moment. nice characterization going on. dig the limited palette & the texture work. if i had one complaint it is that the one shot of the city close up with the scream. while it's ok, for me, it seems way more stylized than the characters do & that there's a bit of a disconnect. but that's minor. nice work.

JAZ
Artist
114 comments
# 22   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 08:51 PM
Gosh, I'm always surprised when I get positive feedback for my comics. I was so nervous how you guys would take it considering the weirdness of it all (hehe I have low self esteem I guess).

Six: I know what you mean about the lack of build up. It was really hard to put together a story that I could finish in a week (that still had good pacing). Anyway, glad you enjoyed it. I'll try not to disappoint in my next comic.

Will: thanks man, glad I surpassed your expectations. I'm not sure if I can fix the shaky line thing though, my hand is so damn unsteady. D=
William_Duel: Jaz- You're scary.  No, terrifying.
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Teehee, one does try. *blushes*

Dan: I'd love a rematch, but not for a while (I hope hahaha).
Dan Dieckmann: I kind of agree with what William Duel said about things though.... I expected Wynn to be like I wrote him too... because thats all I honestly took away from the 3 sentence biography.... NOTHING of what is in the comic is mentioned at all.... sort of like he uploaded Auquaman, but really it was Superman in a blonde wig and he was the only one who knew...
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Sorry If I mislead you dude. I honestly had no idea of what I was going to do with him until I saw his opponent. With the right opponent, he may have turned out like the Wynn you wrote. I'm just taking the ball and running with it here hahaha.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
462 comments
# 21   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 07:55 PM
Also, note to self.... I SUCK AT DIGITAL WORK. Unless Galvo teaches me how, we will NOT be seeing any more shit like this from me. Ugh.... It gets worse the more I see it!

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
462 comments
# 20   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 07:52 PM
JAZ: 2 votes now! Hurray! =D
Hehehe also I didn't realize how much Wynn looked like a goth Riddler until I saw your comic.
It's probably the green coat.
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HAHA! dude I was thinking Dark Knight Joker the whole time! aside from the striped wrist bands, if I made his coat purple I woulda been drawing him haha! Its all good! Lemme know if you wanna battle again sometime, I'll do you justice next time, this I promise!

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
462 comments
# 19   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 07:49 PM
Yeah.... I know it sucks.... Those damn outlines around everything... I did a few steps out of order.... This is why I like black and white comics.... I'll be the first to admit that the whole speed thing has kind of fallen away from me.... it got to the point where it was pointless to turn around and try to fix it because it would have meant taking too many steps backwards, and at that point I was more into submitting then well not submitting. My time could have been managed better. Next year, I'm taking PTO during this tournament so I can work on it more! haha!

I kind of agree with what William Duel said about things though.... I expected Wynn to be like I wrote him too... because thats all I honestly took away from the 3 sentence biography.... NOTHING of what is in the comic is mentioned at all.... sort of like he uploaded Auquaman, but really it was Superman in a blonde wig and he was the only one who knew...

But then again, as Galvo put it best, had my comic been better, it wouldnt have mattered. Haha I submitted a SDT 2004 comic.... this is 2010. Believe me, know onw knows better then me that I have fallen out a little (a lot).... so we'll have to see some improvements from me in the future.

Again Jaz... damn you surprised the hell out of me with this! Awesome job man! Lemme know if you wanna do a standard battle sometime!

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
462 comments
# 18   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 07:41 PM
angieness:
Dan Dieckmann: 95 page views and only 1 vote? COME ON PEOPLE GET EXCITED! Vote on all these matches! OR I WILL FIND YOU! A LOT of people worked really hard to get these done and they need YOUR VOTES! ONLY YOU CAN PREVENT FORREST SPEED DEATH TOURNAMENTS!
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I EAGERLY AWAIT YOUR VOTING ON MY BEYOND BATTLE WHEN IT GOES UP THEN DAN! haha

I've already voted on all the SDT comics since I got to read them as I thumbed them, I was good.
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Definitely! I'll be there, Angie!

William_Duel
Community Manager
930 comments
# 17   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 05:52 PM
Jaz- You're scary.  No, terrifying.  I mean that was excellent the back and forth between Wynn's and Graft's stories and how they tied together at the end.  Hell, Graft's connection to the story made your side more poignant.  I apologize because I underestimated your character and expected a characterization closer to what was evident in Dan's side.  The only thing I could say as a possible crit is to strengthen your lines.  I feel like they get wobbly here and there (around faces especially), though really as a whole it's pretty minor.

Dan- I was liking Graft as a character but this comic is just a bit too standard as far as its storytelling goes.  And really you have that terrible effect where there are a few white pixels along the border that are distracting and just kinda fuck up the whole experience.  Kinda quality wise, the whole comic is just a bit too obviously digital.

sixtem
Artist
395 comments
# 16   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 05:38 PM
Dan - It's a pretty cut and dry standard Void comic, story wise. There was a distinct lack of backgrounds and it looked like the pages were assauted by a computer from the 90s. Your action seemed to be communicated more by the monologue than by the actual art, which is a bit confusing and annoying.

Jaz - Really strong showing! The art was clear and concise and I enjoyed the story. My only gripes are that we didn't have much buildup for Rene's death when compared with the rest of the comic and demon's personality seemed a bit standardly-snarky. I'm really looking forward to your next comics, though.

Angie
Council
1937 comments
# 15   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 09:30 AM
Dan Dieckmann: 95 page views and only 1 vote? COME ON PEOPLE GET EXCITED! Vote on all these matches! OR I WILL FIND YOU! A LOT of people worked really hard to get these done and they need YOUR VOTES! ONLY YOU CAN PREVENT FORREST SPEED DEATH TOURNAMENTS!
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I EAGERLY AWAIT YOUR VOTING ON MY BEYOND BATTLE WHEN IT GOES UP THEN DAN! haha

I've already voted on all the SDT comics since I got to read them as I thumbed them, I was good.

Darius Corry
Artist
428 comments
# 14   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 08:20 AM
Dan Dieckmann: 95 page views and only 1 vote? COME ON PEOPLE GET EXCITED! Vote on all these matches! OR I WILL FIND YOU! A LOT of people worked really hard to get these done and they need YOUR VOTES! ONLY YOU CAN PREVENT FORREST SPEED DEATH TOURNAMENTS!
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You got to consider the views before the pages went up, Dan

JAZ
Artist
114 comments
# 13   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 07:12 AM
2 votes now! Hurray! =D

Dan: No problem about Wynn. I didn't give enough info probably.
I felt the same way about graft. I didn't know his hands could burn things on their own!

Hehehe also I didn't realize how much Wynn looked like a goth Riddler until I saw your comic.
It's probably the green coat.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
462 comments
# 12   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 07:04 AM
95 page views and only 1 vote? COME ON PEOPLE GET EXCITED! Vote on all these matches! OR I WILL FIND YOU! A LOT of people worked really hard to get these done and they need YOUR VOTES! ONLY YOU CAN PREVENT FORREST SPEED DEATH TOURNAMENTS!

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
462 comments
# 11   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 06:33 AM
Man bad ass comic, Jaz! I'm gonna have to fight you for real sometime! I wish I'd known a little more about your character, the bio had me assuming he was completely normal UNTIL he killed all 10 people and became immortal.... I feel I did a pretty bad job looking at what Wynn is really like.... Oh well. Still an awesome comic! I love all the ritual stuff and how Graft burned that guy's face/body with red hot burning hands!

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
462 comments
# 10   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 06:28 AM
Ok sweet.... They are there now.... just no thumbs? i dunno whats going on. I'm too tired to figure it out right now.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
462 comments
# 9   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 05:53 AM
trying to get this shit cleared up. Uploaded with plenty of time, never had this problem before. I KNOW I did it right too. Emailed them to Angie and Toast... hopefully one of them can do something.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
462 comments
# 8   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 05:41 AM
I UPLOADED! WTF!

JAZ
Artist
114 comments
# 7   Posted: Feb 8 2010, 05:37 AM
Well that's no fun at all >=I

JAZ
Artist
114 comments
# 6   Posted: Feb 7 2010, 07:23 PM
Now go tear eachother apart, this i command.
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Your command is my wish.
Uploaded! >=D

Angie
Council
1937 comments
# 5   Posted: Feb 7 2010, 11:34 AM
Reminder for all of you uploading tonight, please read this in the event your upload fails before coming to the mods
http://entervoid.com/board/index.php?topic=10641.0

Rtv!
Artist
603 comments
# 4   Posted: Feb 3 2010, 10:25 PM
"Snootch to da mothafukkin nooch!"

That was totally a cheer for Angry Dan.

Now go tear eachother apart, this i command.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
462 comments
# 3   Posted: Feb 1 2010, 06:55 PM
Haha me too man! Me too!

JAZ
Artist
114 comments
# 2   Posted: Feb 1 2010, 12:33 PM
Oooooh... This should be interesting!
Guess I should get cracking!

(Pi)
Artist
475 comments
# 1   Posted: Jan 31 2010, 06:47 PM
Old School vs. New School.

Rock it hard, y'all!

Comic Details -

 
Type: Speed Death Tournament Match
Drawing Time: 1 week
Ended: Feb 14th, 2010
Votes Cast: 42
Page Views: 1605
Winner: JAZ
 

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