Massive Attack vs. Ronin

Massive Attack vs. Ronin

Massive Attack vs. Ronin

by Kon

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ronin-soul
Artist
81 comments
# 36   Posted: Sep 6 2008, 08:52 AM
Thanks electricpanda, I see what you mean in that respect. Thank you, orishhorde as well.

Once again, thanks everyone for the crits and comments, hopefully my upcoming battles (one which should be epic) will be improved. I think this was a really weak comic from me, and I\'m really looking forward to showing you guys what I can really do with the right time management, and amount of time to work.

electricpanda
2 comments
# 35   Posted: Sep 5 2008, 11:15 PM
@ Ronin: I was more pointing out how common sticks were vs. how generally uncommon a Deus Ex Machina is? But I suppose it\'s just a matter of definition. Congrats on the win!

ronin-soul
Artist
81 comments
# 34   Posted: Sep 2 2008, 12:41 PM
Great battle, Kon.

Thanks for all the comments and criticism guys, it really helps.

panda: the pipe/pole would be considered a \"deus ex machina\". the rabbit would be considered one as well. a deus ex machina is something that randomly appears to resolve a plot hole, this one being the fact that Ronin can\'t touch M.A. that means the pole would be a deus ex machina, because he is thusly able to hit M.A. without touching him.

Rocul
15 comments
# 33   Posted: Sep 2 2008, 01:51 AM
Congrats, Ronin!!!

That was a rather close duel!! XD

Rocul
15 comments
# 32   Posted: Sep 1 2008, 05:29 PM
Kon, well more or less, it\'s kind of a sexual connotation :3

Kon
Artist
194 comments
# 31   Posted: Sep 1 2008, 04:18 AM
Phillip Michael Chanter> I agree with everything except the godly part (which is most of your crit obviously), they are loads of way to kill Massive Attack, actually he wouldn\'t be able to kill the entire planet just by swimming in the sea because his poison is only skin contact or blood contact. Also he could easily poison a swimming pool if he bleed of poison a big amount of water. I\'m also confused about what I said of his strength, he will get stronger but he\'s no way near a god. I think it just looks like it the way I written it but my english is a bit poor to make it look good.
Also it\'s not super healing factor, he can just control his blood pressure by using wave pressures, it\'s hard to explain but it doesn\'t heal it, it just acts as a shield.
ANYWAY.

Alex> Sorry for the jokes, I thought their were okay. Anyway their are loads of way to kill MA, just think about them.

Michael Harris> I\'m happy you like it, I\'m working on my shadow so it looks better and better, I want it to look like shadow but also not to look like it. Just to make it more geometric etc... That\'s maybe where Chanter ALWAYS say I\'m copying Zsa, because our shading are both a bit odd (his is way better thought) but their is nothing else that makes it similar.
I\'m a bit mixing the two Michael\'s crits since they look pretty similar about the art. I\'m gonna try working on my light source so the shadow looks good and not like \"WTF DID HE DO HERE?!\", I know it can improve a lot and it\'s one of the reason why I\'m on VOID, to improve.
SO GOGOGO.

Jess> What\'s an innuendo?
Thanks anyway, I\'ll try to put digital writing next time or at least until I can right properly :p

Electricpanda> I laughed hard, I\'m happy you liked it and I\'ll do way better for my next battle. BEWARE.

electricpanda
2 comments
# 30   Posted: Sep 1 2008, 02:12 AM
Finally got around to reading this!

I pretty much agree with what most people have said previously (except I found Kon\'s handwriting legible, except in one part). The only thing I\'d like to add is that while Kon had too much going on and was hard to understand, I also found it a little difficult to understand Ronin\'s for the inverse, in the second half. I didn\'t realise that the red thing was a stick. Maybe some additional panels of R. brandishing it would have worked, or something? And a small note on Deus ex Machinas (I like this quote):
[Introducing a previously unmentioned element to resolve a situation] is as much fun as when somebody suddenly and unilaterally changes the rules of a game you are playing. It is as if the author had said, \"Oh, I just realized my plot doesn\'t work, so I\'m going to add something from outside of my plot, okay?\" Okay! And we\'re going to add something to the recycling. This particular blunder is known as deus ex machina, which is French for \"Are you fucking kidding me?\"
—How Not to Write a Novel by Howard Mittelmark and Sandra Newman
I don\'t think a stick really applies as such, and it seems almost a little out of character for R. to mention a literary term. But, you probably know him better than I do, so :p /nitpicking.

That said, I want to sex your art in the first couple of pages.

Kon, I like your art and pages in how they work in an overall look, but it\'s too cluttered and breathless to work sequentially, I think. But still, a good overall entry :D

Rocul
15 comments
# 29   Posted: Aug 30 2008, 04:34 PM
Kon: I agree with what michaelharris has said about the illegibility of your handwriting. Some parts are just too hard to read and to understand, but for your first time with a battle sequence, it isn\'t that bad. It\'s quite intense. The innuendo at the start of your comic didn\'t really work. It feels too cliched to actually work. (but I find your character rather interesting to work with...)

Ronin: I adore your style, but it needs a little more working on.

michaelharris
Artist
352 comments
# 28   Posted: Aug 29 2008, 02:21 PM
Kon, I like the energy of your work, it\'s just completely illegible. can\'t really get into the diamond shaped shadows I couldn\'t tell they  were shadows. And it was really hard to read the text. If  you ever look at a comic page before its letter you will notice that it is really really empty to allow for breathing room.

Ronin, I like the almost grittiness of your work.  The buildings really threw me off though. I wish you could find a better way to avoid perspective

to both. I wish you could incorporate the anatomy skill that you guys display in your character sheets.  The stories were very anime-esque which I don\'t particularly like, but a lot of people do. I enjoyed to amount of work you turned out, it was nice to have enough meat to complete an idea.

saintpio
Artist
71 comments
# 27   Posted: Aug 28 2008, 03:27 AM
phil, I reckon a character with a lot of sheep for instance could kill him. Or guns. But then again, kon if you start having doubts about if you\'ve given your character too much power, which you might have done, then you could always just add it into a story that he loses a lot of his power or something for some comic book reason.
 My main suggestion is to stick with one idea next time and just focus on getting as much as you can out of it if you get me. Sometimes the best fights are all about a build up to one punch or something (especially with your guys power). I think there wasn\'t any build up or main idea to hold it together so what we ended up with was confusing. Also I didn\'t really think the jokes worked sorry.

Ronin. I liked parts a lot. The emo trash philosophy was cool, but the way the fight started and ended was uncreative i think. You really gotta think more about the main points before you write a story and if they\'re lame, rethink them until there good. Oh, and the random donny darko rabbit was cool i reckon. You should do more with that but make sure you don\'t rip off donny darko even if it is a good movie.

Phill
Artist
895 comments
# 26   Posted: Aug 27 2008, 12:45 PM
Eh... I wasn\'t really fond of either fight really.


Kon: I gotta be honest dude, I really want to fight this character, but not because of this comic. I just don\'t like the character\'s main power. It\'s almost exactly like my fighter\'s power only on a godly scale. I mean, c\'mon, if he swims in the ocean he can kill all life on earth? If you touch him you\'re dead, and how he\'s got wolverine\'s super healing factor? This all seems way too much like a Deus Ex Machina. If your character is so godly, how do other characters hold a candle to him in your half of the comics? I do have faith that you can sidestep this god-like power in the future, but so far I really don\'t like what I\'m seeing here.

Art here, if you\'re gonna copy Zsaber\'s inking style, you gotta know what you\'re doing first. You can\'t be throwing around diamond shaped spots of black everywhere just because it looks cool, it\'s gotta be uniform somehow otherwise you gotta big mess. Having a good idea of where the light source is can really help you in figuring out where to shade and do a proper job without it looking all mixed up. Other than that I really can\'t say much else...




Ronin: Like what Angie said, SFS: Same Face Syndrome. Mix it up will ya! Story here... well, not much different really, just Ronin sulking, hitting Massive with a trash ball, BEGIN THE BRAWL! But of course there\'s also the Deus ex Machina of the bunny warning him of the impending doom that comes from touching Massive Attack. Not very good story telling if you ask me. The first part where he lamented about being trash was decent, but at the end it seems kinda cut off leaving your reader wondering what just happened.



I really couldn\'t decide between either opponents here, both of ya get an even vote from me.

Angie
Council
1937 comments
# 25   Posted: Aug 27 2008, 07:39 AM
It\'s fine, no one ever does a big complicated story for their first fight, I was mostly saying for your next fights

Kon
Artist
194 comments
# 24   Posted: Aug 27 2008, 03:55 AM
Angieness> Well it did look like a fight fight thing, I swear it was planned like that ahaha. What I mean is that for my first battle I wanted a fighting battle, just to start making a plot out of it. Ronin joined so I\'m gonna use him again and a story is gonna start going on. I don\'t have a real plot for the moment, just few backgrounds idea that could become kinda important in the future comics.
Also I know my text organisation was crappy and a bit tiny but I hope it\'s readable, also I shouldn\'t have resized it that much but yaaaaay.
About the anime fan girl part, I\'m not fond of them, I watch some of them sometimes but it\'s a majority of novels, comics and mangas. Well I guess my next battle will be better and not soo confusing.

BUT I TOLD YA FIRST ACTION SCENE EVEEER :D

Helft: Gonna get rid of the little boxes about poison and shit then. Just to make it clearer :)
Next time will be lesst fighting more chatting but some fighting still because fighting scene are so funny to draw. I\'ll try to give a not as confusing panelling so it can be crazy AND understandable.
Glad you enjoyed anyway!

Angie
Council
1937 comments
# 23   Posted: Aug 26 2008, 03:10 PM
Kon-Be careful with the confusing layouts. I had an extremely difficult time reading this battle because the layouts were everywhere and your text was tiny and all over the place. If you want to do a lot of text that\'s fine, but make sure your panels are able to hold them without you cramming paragraphs of small text into small panels. I really think you would benefit from digital text for easier readability. And while I understand you\'re inspired by anime, there\'s nothing wrong with that, I have a very hard time getting into the whole \"I used 1/2 my power for this\" \"I used 8/15 of my power for this\" because it makes me feel like I\'m watching DBZ. Try to give your characters personalities and make the way they talk believable so that they can be likeable. This was decent for a first battle and I\'m glad you finished, you did well with the inks but you have got to work on your writing.

Ronin-I felt like artistically this was a step up for you but you\'re still falling into same face-itis. Try varying the mouths and noses especially since that\'s what really does it. But like Kon\'s, I really couldn\'t get into this. I understand both of you are trying to do action comics, but even the best action comics need some build up and story, we have to care about these characters. I want to see you give your character a little more personality and some back story or something. You can do all the action you like, but you have to make us like your character to want to root for your character in the fight. You don\'t have to write a big epic back story, but give the audience something so that we want to continue reading about Ronin.


Helftan
Artist
68 comments
# 22   Posted: Aug 26 2008, 01:32 PM
Ok i will give this a go

Kon you should really tone down on the confusing text.Like info about the sword being in his sleeve
and about him being poisonious you confuse the reader more than you need to.You characters look really nice but
it seems like they lack some space around them , Like you constantly mess up the way you present your pages
going crazy on a page is really fine but you kinda need calmness to make your crazy stuff seem crazy otherwise
it just comes off as messy.last thing would be the length of the comic i dont really think you use the amount of pages well they just fight and fight.Perhaps more dialog beetween them would help it.

Good comic i enjoyed reading and had been looking forward to seing your first comic keep them coming

Ronin i like that you kinda tried giving us more info on your character and the pacing was alot better and easier to follow this time around.When you do the really realistic faces it is kinda important to let your bodies follow.like your
expressions are very precise compared to your bodies.the red coloring looked ace. the ending was ok but kinda confusing but i think i got it.anywhom good battle want to see more of you both hope this helps somehow


BornLoser
Artist
53 comments
# 21   Posted: Aug 26 2008, 02:30 AM
Hmm seems i refered to myself as \"THE\" in my last comment :P

BornLoser
Artist
53 comments
# 20   Posted: Aug 26 2008, 02:27 AM
Kon: I love your shading style but Your action gets really confusing at times. Your people look to similiar and some camera angles doesnt really make any sense.
The really Lol\'ed at the joke at the beginning. And the ending was quite fun aswell.

Ronin-soul: I like the way you draw faces and the backgrounds for the first couple of pages. But you have some serious anatomy problems (Maybe intentional, but im not fond of it) and your camera angles are pretty dull for most of it.
As you said yourself the 4 pages are also alot better than the rest of it.

Kon
Artist
194 comments
# 19   Posted: Aug 26 2008, 01:26 AM
WOA RONIN DON\'T SAY IT\'S SHIT ahah.
I thought it was really good and especially as you said the four first pages where the shading was like really kickass. I really liked some of the action too, the punch that Massive attack gave had a sweet perspective and it looked really good. I think you did really well and it\'s a good battle, I think that with some better time management you would\'ve kicked my ass so hard. It was a pleasure to battle you and I would do it again anytime (let\'s just leave each other some time to improve a bit :) )
I also liked the way ronin became a sad character, we all knew how brutal and what a beast he was but I we\'re getting closer and closer to a good character story to discover. It\'s a bit hard to do the same on your first battle so mine was really just action and some characters presentation, hopefully I\'ll get to do some good story how you did.

I think you improved a lot and you definitly beat me on this one, I had few days left after inking but I didn\'t try to give it some color... I should\'ve. I think mine is okay but they are two panels I really hate: The back to today panel on page 4 and the shitty attempt at a perspective on page 12 when Massive Attack says \"will you join me blabla\", I think those two where a bit rushed out and are ruining the comic :/
Otherwhise I\'ll try to work on my backgrounds a bit more next time and actually make them kinda important. Also my action scene are the first one I have ever ever drawn but they still look SO shitty, people said they didn\'t understand a thing :(

SO YEAH.
I loved fighting you and you don\'t need to worry about what you did, it\'s way over mine : O

ronin-soul
Artist
81 comments
# 18   Posted: Aug 25 2008, 11:54 PM
WOW KON, that was really sweet. I like your fast-paced stuff and all that crazy shit going on, but at some point it was just a little too much for me. Don\'t get me wrong, I think your style is badass and it works well and all but just tone that down a bit next battle and youll be golden.  I loved everything that went on, and that random shit at the end with Ronin and M.A. in the future was pretty funny. Anyways, thanks for the battle. Hopefully, in the future we can battle again and Ill definitely give you a better fight on my part.

As for my comic, I am really disappointed in it. The only good pages are maybe the first 4, and then the quality decreases as you go (The last couple of pages are shit). School just started, and I\'ve had a lot of work and the schedule has caused me to sleep more than I need to, so I didn\'t put as much time in as I wanted. I was going to do 20 pages, but I guess that will have to wait for next battle. Sorry Kon, and everyone who reads my comic for the lack of effort in art and the story :O Regardless though, I was going to have Ronin get his ass kicked anyways, so that wasn\'t something I just did to make it shorter. Kon- Thanks again for the battle man, your part was really cool.

Angie
Council
1937 comments
# 17   Posted: Aug 25 2008, 10:53 PM
There appears to be something odd going on with the thumbs, it wasn\'t like that a minute ago Oo

ronin-soul
Artist
81 comments
# 16   Posted: Aug 25 2008, 08:59 PM
Uploaded.

QtRNevermore
Artist
286 comments
# 15   Posted: Aug 24 2008, 01:17 PM
wishing awesomeness on both your ends... can\'t wait to see what you guys churn out.

Kon
Artist
194 comments
# 14   Posted: Aug 24 2008, 09:47 AM
Also first action scene in my life

Kon
Artist
194 comments
# 13   Posted: Aug 24 2008, 09:33 AM
UPLOADED BABE!

Kon
Artist
194 comments
# 12   Posted: Aug 8 2008, 11:19 AM
LOVE YOU AMERICAN GUY AHAH GOOD LUCK BUT I WILL WIN

ronin-soul
Artist
81 comments
# 11   Posted: Aug 6 2008, 10:10 PM
No love for the non-french guy? :(

Helftan
Artist
68 comments
# 10   Posted: Aug 6 2008, 06:56 PM
GOOD LUCK FRENCIE

Airlight
Artist
136 comments
# 9   Posted: Aug 5 2008, 11:19 PM
GOODLUCK KON, RONIN, BEAT THE CRAP OUTTA EACH OTHER

Kuro
Artist
581 comments
# 8   Posted: Aug 5 2008, 04:07 PM
muthafuckin\' tizzight

-J

Chimaeric
Artist
247 comments
# 7   Posted: Aug 5 2008, 03:35 PM
FOR MEGA GLORY

rabbitrabbit
Artist
334 comments
# 6   Posted: Aug 4 2008, 04:11 PM
Yes!  Massive Attack in Akshun!  My heart is beating so very fast now!!  

Angie
Council
1937 comments
# 5   Posted: Aug 4 2008, 02:59 PM
Do something awesome! Good luck!

Aluísio C. Santos
Artist
735 comments
# 4   Posted: Aug 4 2008, 02:53 PM
Such a beast!
Good luck guyse!

Dimension
Artist
489 comments
# 3   Posted: Aug 4 2008, 02:51 PM
good luck on your first battle Kon.

I\'ll be lookin\' forward to this. :3

Kon
Artist
194 comments
# 2   Posted: Aug 4 2008, 02:49 PM
FIGHTING SPIRIT IS RAISING IN MY SOUL!

Powerz
Artist
107 comments
# 1   Posted: Aug 4 2008, 02:34 PM
erotic

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Ended: Sep 1st, 2008
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