Kain vs. Rampage

Kain vs. Rampage

Kain vs. Rampage

49%
1521 points
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BronxArtist
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# 23   Posted: Oct 25 2005, 10:57 PM
Thanx Dason, like I\'ve been saying, I understand how ppl didnt like that move (me using Kutthroats image) I just didnt want them to dismiss the other work that was done on it.

I think Kutthroat comic (in my opinion ) was much more creative than my was.  I dont think I\'ve put enough effort on the actual story.  I\'ve really just wanted to practice on my angels and over all compositon of the page.

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# 22   Posted: Oct 25 2005, 10:46 PM
Like I said I think it wouldve been cooler if you drew the pose yourself but it was a creative idea. I give you that so while for me it took away a point in quality but gained u one in creativity. Kutthroats was good and alot better than the last. The train goin by confused me. looked like a wall just appeared. I gave this one to Rampage despite the great submission by kutthroat.

Kutthroat yur shits great and I hope you get a win but youve tackled 2 tuff hombres\' so far.
And thanks for the abomino Cameo. Now we know why hes retarded... too much herb.

BronxArtist
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# 21   Posted: Oct 25 2005, 09:54 PM
lol, nah Wei Ingnan, I mean \"mean\" as in \"I mean\" , sometimes I forget to translate the \"Bronx slang\" I have come so used to.  I don\'t mean \"mean\" as in nasty or watever.  Actually I was thanking you for atleast keep the vote fair.
anyways i apologize again!

Wei Ingnan
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# 20   Posted: Oct 25 2005, 09:39 PM
\"Mean\" Wei Ingnan?????????......oh if you only knew :)

BronxArtist
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# 19   Posted: Oct 25 2005, 08:50 PM
THANK YOU MOLOTAI!!!!

I was thinking the same thing, I really do see how one page affects the entire comic.  Mean Wei ingnan, I understood his point, he took points of on that page but still graded me fairly on the other catagories.  other ppl just seem give me D all across for one page - a page which really has no great importance, is not like the comic depended on that page.
I used the page \'cause I thought it would be a clever thing to add.  Not because I could not illustrate it myself.  I thought Kutthroat did a great loosing pose desing, which I thought I would be a funny way to end it.  Not to take anything away from Kutthroat\'s comic (which I really think was awsome and defenetly more creative than my comic.) I just dont think it was fair how ppl dismissed the other work that was put on it.
Anyways I\'ll take this as a lesson.  And I thank all those who voted fairly, Molotai for his comment and Kutthroat for this battle (minus the voting I had a good time Illustrating it.)

Molotai
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# 18   Posted: Oct 25 2005, 06:40 PM
How did that last page completely change his grades lower? That is the stupidest thing ive heard. Using that last page should be a hit to creativity, but how does it change how good his other art was? Even if you do think he deserves to have all three hit.. why WAY lower, It was a bad move, Doesnt mean he should be gettings D\'s for that.

kutthroat
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# 17   Posted: Oct 23 2005, 10:22 PM
just so every1 knows, i do my color in prismacolor pencils, then ink. the only marker is the black 1 i use 4 the night sky.

kutthroat
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# 16   Posted: Oct 21 2005, 08:29 PM
bronxartist:  ...nice. i like your rendition of Kain alot. infact, the only reason i was disappointed that u used my art, is cuz id like 2 c your version of that piece. i love the pic on your 2nd page when Kain jumps & the pose in the middle of the 3rd page is pretty sick 2. thanx 4 the battle!

BronxArtist
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# 15   Posted: Oct 19 2005, 11:46 AM
yep (voodoo), Im kinda regretting I didnt do it that way.

voodootattoon
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# 14   Posted: Oct 19 2005, 08:48 AM
It probably would have been better if you just drew the lose pose with the same content just rather in your own method, bronx

BronxArtist
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# 13   Posted: Oct 19 2005, 12:11 AM
Thank you Zato, Wei, Pi for your cooments.  It really wasnt my intension to have KT drawing as a cop-out, but more of a comedic feel.  But I guess it just didnt/doesnt work.  It was not at all my intension to steal anything from KT.  In the future I\'ll try an be more carefull w/ these things.
again thank ya all, and Kutthroat(KT) for his great battle!

A Bad Idea
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# 12   Posted: Oct 18 2005, 11:56 PM
Kain : This entry makes some noticable improvements over your last fight, but there are still some lingering problems. While you did manage yet another full-color fight in more pages, it still looks flat like others mentioned (save for strong highlights), so you should learn proper shading to better convey depth and atmosphere (this is especially essential since all of your sequentials up to date have been set at night time, yet your figures are lighted as though under a lamp). Your paneling is better but there are still cases in which there is too much open space (page 4), or not enough space at all (page 7). I\'m also not sure how I feel about the super-neon-color train cars, but you DID successfully establish an environment, so PERHAPS you can play out those colors to your advantage (perhaps with some sort of surreal scheme going on ?), but right now they kinda look out of place. Also, your actions scenes are still bland, so you may want to study motion and how to draw it in still frames, they would GREATLY help you to emphasize the dynamic of this fight.

I also think it would REALLY help your scripting if you wrote out your characters\' dialogue as though they were to say their lines in REAL life. In the context of realistic dialogue, you shouldn\'t have people saying \"U\" or \"WTF\" or anything (unless it\'s for a comedic context). It just makes comics more enjoyable to read, since reading internet-lingo is generally an unpleasing practice.

Rampage : You\'ve made some great effort to keep your line quality the same throughout your fights here, so you get a thumbs for that *thumbs*. You\'ve got a sharp, crisp style that forces itself into a reader\'s eyes that I really dig, you\'ve got nice, detailed and subtle backgrounds that establish a mood, and I also like your rendition of Kain, keeping more true to his feline features. On the other hand, you\'ve got some proportion issues (your legs are always generally too small) and some of your panels are missing backgrounds or have too much open space (you should try to fill them out more, either by putting bigger focus on the figures, or by adding more background. This becomes especially apparent in page 5, which simply DEMANDS dynamic). You also get some points off for not coming up with your own ending. No cop outs please. =P

BUT even with that, Rampage gets my vote by just a FEW points for having a stronger style and dynamic. I hope to see improvements in the future, you both have plenty of potential to be great.

(Pi)
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# 11   Posted: Oct 18 2005, 07:34 PM
good stuff from both sides

Kutthroat: You\'ve got a fresh style, and you\'re battles are done in full color, which is a plus. There are times, however, that the coloring comes off as a little flat. Maybe some more dynamic shading and highlights would help? There are some minor anatomy issues, but one thing that stuck out was the poor foreshortening on the second panel of page 6. Since Rampage\'s feet are closer to the viewer, they should be larger than normal, and the inverse goes for his upper body. The way you rendered it, Rampage\'s upper body is exceptionally large and compressed, compared to his legs. Keep practicing, you\'ve got skills.

Bronx: Pro-level inks, man, lots of respect. Some anatomy issues you might want to look at include the guy in the first panel, first page with the woman (his upper body is huge, but his limbs are tiny), the shot of Rampage in the second panel, fourth page (really long arms, his finger tips would be almost at his knees), and your overall rendition of Kain. It was a very cool rendition, much more tiger than house cat, but you made him much shorter than 4\'3\". Still, my votes go to you by just a bit. Colors would have been awesome, and I\'m not sure on the policy of using other artists\' work, but you did lose points for that.

Keep it up, guys.

Wei Ingnan
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# 10   Posted: Oct 18 2005, 06:36 PM
Kain: Good overall battle. But you lost some some points for the flatness of your colouring and for some other visual issues. I enjoyed the creativity of the train passing and intersecting the action...but I found it to be poorly executed...it was unclear as to what was happening or even to what it exactly was.....it was simply a blue space appearing and disapeering...had you worked it a bit you would have been more succesful and scored higher.

Rampage: I enjoyed this overall but also had issues with it. Panelling was well executed and rendering was quite skilled, but it seems unfinished. You also seemed to have petered out on the backgrounds, I suspect you were rushed for time. My biggest beef is your use of your challenger\'s art in your own fight...I think I see what you were doing there...but you lost major points from me by it\'s use.

BronxArtist
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# 9   Posted: Oct 18 2005, 06:36 PM
lol, awsome job KT!!  I likes!

kutthroat
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# 8   Posted: Oct 17 2005, 06:55 PM
Uploaded!

BronxArtist
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# 7   Posted: Oct 17 2005, 01:32 AM
Uploaded!

-and not optimized! Sry, I noticed when uploading, and by then it was too late.

BronxArtist
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# 6   Posted: Oct 11 2005, 08:57 AM
wats up Kutthroat,
yea my pages are coming along pretty nicely.
good luck to both of us eh!

kutthroat
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# 5   Posted: Oct 9 2005, 07:38 PM
sup rampage!?! my battle\'s lookin kinda tight. i just gotta do some outline work. how bout on your side? everything goin good?

BronxArtist
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# 4   Posted: Oct 6 2005, 04:11 PM
thnx tekk !!

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# 3   Posted: Sep 30 2005, 04:29 AM
Bronx, one of the reasons I\'ve been checkin up here is specifically to see your stuff man, I can\'t wait to see what you\'ve got in store for us!

Cutthroat, I\'m digging the style man, show us how it works, I\'m lookin to get in on this pretty soon, so I gotta check out the competition!

BronxArtist
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# 2   Posted: Sep 27 2005, 01:22 PM
Thanx son, I\'ll try

voodootattoon
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# 1   Posted: Sep 27 2005, 01:15 AM
Kain is on a Rampage!!!  Literally!!

Comic Details -

 
Drawing Time: 3 weeks
Ended: Oct 25th, 2005
Votes Cast: 40
Page Views: 450
Winner: BronxArtist
 

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