Donnie D needs to learn how to type, so I can understand whateve rthoughts he had. And no, not every comment was in Synjes favor, quite a FEW of them were not actually if you read them all. And yes, all the votes that made it through were fair, and YES, a LOT of the people that voted did NOT leave comments.
Thanks for the fight synje, I'm sorry we both started this fight off on such a sour note. Because of this fight I sorta lost respect from mize and graph, some people got pissed because of the jab I had in my fight, and I've been stressed out completely throughout the month while working on this.
I am glad that after 4 straight half assed fights I was able to find my comic voice again and finish a comic. Though some people seem to think I didn't care about this fight at all, same with synje's half. But lemme just say that we both put our all into this match! I had 20 pages, synje had 15! This wasn't our best fight, but we still put forth the effort which you people seem to think isn't there. I would like to thank those who voted fairly and told me exactly what to improve on for the next match. Not going to accept anymore deathmatches after this fight, so if anybody wants to kill Phill, do it in a scar match with me. You know my AIM.
Congrats phil, you did good mang, put alot of effort into it and it paid off in the end.
And who thought this would be the last of me? come on, I live on void and i love this place, ofcourse I'm making a new character.
I get to start a new now, and I will continue to grow.
Thanx everyone.
SkullCap > What I meant was I,like yourself thought about that Ally and aiding thing didn't get THAT used in this fight as it turned out to do.... I mean Ever comment I saw sounded like it they were in GUM's favour,but still Phill ran with the victory.... I'm just wondering how that's possible unless people didn't vote fairly....
I would just like to say to any of the \"friends\" or \"allys\" who may have tried to aid either side in winning in an unfair fashion.... you did more damage than anything. How constructive is it for Phill or Eric as artists to be awarded points or victories they did not truely earn or deserve? What will that tell them about their work or their opponents? What will they learn from this experience and what will they take away, if they cant even trust the opinions of the people they know as friends and trust to give them honest opinions? Becuase thats what the art and comic world WILL do. They will give honest opinions and crits, and give credit where credit is due. They will not say \"Oh, this guy's my friend, so I'll give him props over this other guy, even if he doesnt deserve it.... I just want to see him get chosen over the competition not because he deserves it, but just cuz he's my friend.\"
Think about that from the artist's standpoint. What have they learned from that? Nothing. All they get is the knowledge that they can't trust their friends to vote fairly or to give honest, UN-BIASED opinions of their work when put into a position to do so. It also puts the artist in question between a rock and a hard place, becuase THEY are then stuck having to answer to the question of \"Why are so many people signing up new or multiple accounts and cheating for you? Did you ask them to? Were YOU cheating?\" It also will get them less challenges in the future, becuase opponents will KNOW that the votes will be put in unfairly, from outside parties not interested in the actual comic or the quality of it, but merely that their \"friend\" wins in the end.
I know this is a concept many of you wont grasp, as it has been a problem for as long as there has BEEN voting. And I imagine it always will be also. Far too many of you dont grasp the concept of an honest, un-biased vote, especially if a friend is involved. Because none of you THINK about what I just mentioned, and how it impacts your FRIENDS the most in the end, and in a FAR more negative way then positive.
So as voters, I urge you all to think before you place your votes. Think about the impact they might have on all artists involved, and think about if you truely voted fairly and with no biased opinions. And artists, I STRONGLY urge you to tell any friends you have that vote on your battles to vote FAIRLY, even if it means giving you the lower score. Why any of you would ever want to win by means of cheating, i will NEVER figure out, becuase it does NOTHING to prove you as an artist, all it does is prove you are a douche space-shuttle.
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That's what I was trying to say, only a lot more detailed and with bigger words. I want Synje to come back with someone new. Makes no sense to make that improvement in your comic-writing only to up and leave after not winning one battle, ya?
...Unless that wasn't directed at me. Then...*follows Angie's advice*
Well I remember talking to Dawg about Synje's previous battles and he really didn't give his other battles his all, and it really shows in his older stuff. While he did improve, it had been a year since we'd seen anything from Synje, and this is the first time we've ever seen him do a battle he put more into. The death of Gum gives him the chance to start from scratch and really give a new character his all from start to finish. Synje did impress me a lot on this battle, but I just enjoyed Phill's more.
Art is all a matter of opinion, no one is wrong for zomg liking Phill's comic, no one is wrong for zomg liking Synje's comic. Some people thought the 9 lives thing was the best thing ever, I didn't care for it. But you know what? That's my opinion. That does not mean everyone needs to think the way I think. I see so many people forcing their opinions down everyone's throat demanding that they're right and the other person is wrong. We all have to deal with the fact we all have different opinions and if someone heaven forbid doesn't agree, we have to accept it and move on with our lives.
You also need to keep in mind, battles usually aren't based on who improved the most, it's usually based completely around the here and now. I haven't been around on Void long so it's not often how much an artist has improved has any impact at all on my voting. And considering the number of newer people that voted, I'm not alone. If you look back at James' old battles, they can't hold a candle at all to his newer stuff. But when I vote on James' battles I'm looking at what I have in front of me. I've read all his older characters so yes, I'm familiar with the character, but when I vote how much he improved is not the entire deciding factor of how I vote.
This fight has had the tendency to pull out the worst in people because both sides have friends that are very passionate about supporting them. When the match first up there was so much arguing about who should win, people were taking personal attacks at each other. Even now you shouldn't dare mention the fight in the EnterVOID chat because a flame war begins and people start jabbing at each other.
It's a comic. It's over. Phill won. Let the subject die and move on with your lives.
Hey, GUM could always be necro'd. Or have, like, a long lost twin or something.
Regardless, I hope Synje comes back with a new fighter. All that improvement should NOT go to waste!
How could this be? How could the one with the most drastic changes lose? Sure Phillip had some good ones to,but still there wasn't much changes in it as Gum's.... Oh well.... Congrats Phil on ya win anyway..... Synje : hope this is'nt the last we hear from ya...
Lots to read, and there isn't much left for me to say.
My votes went to Synje for having better art, although I was rather fond of Phil's cliche story. Both entries were endearing in their own ways, and either way it turns out will be to the benefit of the artists. Win-win situation, baby.
Keep it up, you two.
the scores ain't based on one persons opinion, their based on a lot of peoples opinions.
just because you think someone deserves to win, doesn't mean they will. =p
Phill, your battle had character development. So it's got to be good. Because anything that features character development is automatically the hottest shit in the world, regardless of anything else that may effect the story in any way.
Synje, your battle was better drawn, easier to follow, and as entertaining (if not more so) than Phil's battle. However, that jab at the end on phil himself was a little bit in poor taste, and you had less character development (maybe try panels randomly featuring boobs interspersed chaotically in your story for no good reason next time?) - so your shit isn't as hot.
Besides I wouldn't want phill to feel bad about losing, so I voted for him.
Um.... actually it is. We have been watching it from day one. Any shady business was removed promptly. So I dont wanna hear anyone accusing or starting rumors, unless its me, becuase i know whats happening, and anything thats up there now is legit.
I was disappointed on both ends. After having met you both and seeing what you can do, it seems like a lot of this was just stupidity thrown into a poor attempt at character development.
I could hardly keep up with Phil's comic. There was lots of detail, but it was easy to get stuck trying to figure out what certain things were.
Eric... you had me going up until the last couple of pages or so. You've really improved as far as line art goes (keep working on the coloring, though...). You barely beat Phil for my vote, like really seriously. If you hadn't resorted to the lame ass ending you did and had gotten around to coloring it all, you would have had him hands down.
Really disappointing, just like I was told it would be.
Everything that needs to be said has been said, so I'll just stress my pet peeves.
Phil, a ruler and some varying line thickness will improve your work substancially. Also work on those speed lines, they were nausiating. Synje, Estrella just seemed tacked on and Phil was out of character. I was going to dock him a point for that too by making GUM evil all of a sudden, but then you did it too.
Nine lives was hilarious, but Phil Chanter in a cat suit was tacky in my opinion. And Phil, William Birkin plug FTW :D
Kal aMari, I dont need to never see them again to know, and believe me, when it DOES happen, we WONT see them again. They will be dealt with, and the scores recieved by them are nulled. So its pointless of them to try anyways, They wont get away with it, and they'll get banned if they try too many times.
even though I voted awhile ago, I would like to say that I am a tad dissapointed with the \"cheap shots\" taken at each other in these comics. another loss for maturity
Phillip Chanter in a Phill suit, hahahahaha. That shit was as funny as Rtv in a pink dress.
Respect people's character my black ass. People are entitled to do what they want to their opponent, n00bo. if he disrespected characters that aren't his opponent that's a different story.
That's just my opinion.
Phil yer background are killer! I have not voted on this yet. I will do so in a few minutes, i've got to read this again. Both were hilarious.
And Synje, i hate to say i told you so. you came off to overconfident when we talked. Stop that shit immediatly and i might forgive you.
The 9 lives...fukking awesome. I just forgave you.
I'll prolly comment on this more expansive afther i read it for the second time. Keep it up guys!
(Apologies accepted)
I'm a little new, but I've lurked for months. Just now starting to leave comments and such.
I suppose if I'm going to comment twice, I should post more crits.
This battle is another Ayumi vs Seel for me. In that battle my votes went to Ayumi, and in this one they go to Phil, for mostly the same reasons, though GUM... Man. Forgive me for being blunt but frankly above all else your version of Phil's character killed your version for me. It's not the nine lives, it's the mannerisms and actions that he takes in the comic. He just seems kind of \"Meow, here I am, and made of cardboard\" in your version, whereas the Phil I've read about would never say \"Meow\" and sure as hell wouldn't stand there with that retarded look on his face through half the battle, letting you slice and dice 'im. This is just about THE worst interpretation of another person's character I have ever seen, and it just seems to me that you did no research on the character at all other than his design sheet.
Surely you read Coral's version of the last battle royale. That had both you and Phil in it, and both of you were represented well in that fight. In this one, I felt Phil got you down pretty well (Except for the motivation, but we've been over that) but you... Damn man. If anyone did something to one of my characters like what you did to Phil, I would be... maybe not insulted. but a wee ticked off nonetheless.
Respect each other's characters, people.
Yo Interesting Battle,
Phil,
Nice story..predictable but so what i enjoyed it like i enjoyed my old school batman the animated series on FOX. There are a few things that bugged me while going thru ur comic though. Sometimes its kinda hard to tell whats happening within a few panels man ex:(page 2 panel 1):I know he broke the table with his legs but it took me a few glances to figure it out but i still cant find his legs lol. I know this Cat is tall but his leg in Page 1 panel 7 is really long lol. Good Luck to you on the out come.
Synje,
Interesting battle as well. Nice perspectives and views. I enjoyed your version of RedBlood, you really gave him the \"cool boundty hunter look\" (page 6 Panel 7 stood out the most). Story wise was strange, from ur character description i would have thought he would have been more of a hero than a villan, but with the looks of a villans lol, but i know things change..or should i say a woman with some ill tits can change you evil lol. If your previous comics were more like this one, im pretty sure you would have had more wins. Good Luck to you on the out come.
I think Angie was more worried about friends of the writers creating accounts to help sway the voting. If we never see 'em again...you'll know.
Too bad there's no such thing as a rematch for a death match. =D
There's enough of Phil around this site. It would be best if he lost for the sake of a new character and a new direction artistically. Human and animal studies are a must to tell apart several characters. Almost everything looks like Phil.
Synje has an appealing comic style with a character that is developing weakly. He should focus his strengths on writing to make his stories comprehensible. When you have 4 weeks to do a 10 page battle-play it smart; give yourself a schedule and stick to it so you have enough time to write then be your own editor and look over what you have.
That's my crit.
Everything to be said has kind of been said already, but here I go anyway.
Phill: Your storyline was straightforward and predictable, but I feel you depicted it in a clear and enjoyable way. There's nothing wrong with doing something that's been done before and doing it well, in my opinion. You really went for broke on the backgrounds, too, which I really enjoyed.
I loved the whole Saturday-Morning-Cartoon feel of the thing, I kinda felt like I was watching SwatKats or something. :D Everyone seems to be ragging on the unlikely plot twists, but they didn't bother me for that reason.
I think the art would benefit in a really HUGE way if there was just a little better differentiation between foreground and background. That's the only thing that made it hard to read.
Synjie: The art was really good, and there were some clever ideas in there. You also really outdid yourself on the backgrounds, and I especially like the spotted blacks on that brick wall behind the screaming mother with the baby on page 4. And I really like how you drew Phill. You made him look really sexy somehow. <3
But overall, I really just wasn't \"feeling\" it. It didn't really seem to flow very well, the plot felt kind of clunky and disjointed. And I don't get what the heck Estrella had to do with anything. It wasn't bad, but I wasn't really engaged.
It was pretty close, though. I gave it to Phill by a hair.
this fight was cool.
i am actually biased against phil, so i wont vote on this one!
i will conceede the fact that there was fast improvement on his side. good job man! you're still a douchebag though.why did you have to make your own character such a loser the comic too? its such a turn off. i've heard of the anti-hero, silent-hero, but i havent heard of the highschool-bottom-of-the-food-chain-gets-picked-on-by-little-kids-emo-loser hero! keep trying!
Synje.. youre a funny funny sailor, thats what you are!
this is the kind of ending i would have had if i were ever to fight phil
haha!
At first this was hard for me to decide- cause both were lineart and what not- both the same amount of quality.However- Phils dynamic poses- Those impressed the shit out of me. Plus- I'm a fan of the way he does those anthro feet. Synie's lineart was clean and stood out-
BUuut. I choose Phil in the end. Why? Synjie- that ending... just...I'm sorry- it's flaming awful. You drew me away with the whole nine lives thing and the \"Philip Carter\" thing. Didn't fit.
Great work you both!
I voted you guys in the most unprejudiced way I possibly could, so here's my in depth responses to your comics, much of which has already been repeated by others.
Phil: Between you and Gum, you had a more consistent storyline. The only problems I can point out were the details with the actual fight. It might be just my browser being too large, but I got lost in the details easily and some of the action sequences were hard to read, especially where theres minimal to no shadows. Some of the perspective shots could've been polished off, especially with the scenes of Phil climbing up the chains and hanging above Gum.
Gum: Art wise, your inks and paneling were clean and easy to read through. My main problem with this was the set up of the story and the character's motivation. The whole 'it's time to resurface and go on an ass kicking spree for the art of revenge' is too much of a cliche'd concept. The ending was rather rushed as well. I found it kind of funny how Gum was able to snatch Phil by splicing himself into multiple bodies, yet it only took one quick bite to the head? The technique was a good idea and a creative one, but all it was in the end was eye candy for this fight.
a tough call for me. i left out favortism (if it were that alone... well... that doesn't matter)
both of you have some obvious rough spots, but you both shine when you shine.
synje: overall, you did a better job on the art itself. the color page was cool (but the point it gained with me was also lost by the sudden b&w). the nine lives thing was funny, but the jab at phil (the artist) was a bit tasteless. i know you both said sorry to each other so i won't press on that point but to say that the both of you were being a bit childish by putting in those jabs at each other. this whole thing was started by a childish arguement as i hear it... well, that's in the pass and i hope you both got it out of your systems. overall, you did a good job.
phil: your weakness was in that your'e characters seem a little wonky and your bg needs some work. -but- your straight action was nice. also i could tell you had fun with the new outfit design. (the rest i already told you on aim)
it was a close one for me, because 1) i'm a softy when it comes to voting (though i am getting a little harsher) and 2) i'm not all that good at comparing two artists together. what made this a little easier was that you both are somewhat close to each other in style if not in skill. also phil had a lot more backgrounds and stuff in them (didn't get him more points on quality, but it did show in the entertainment as far as i'm concerned). phil was just a bit more entertainig in the end.
my (close) vote goes to phil.
Phil - reading your battle was so predictable it wasnt even funny, i dont even know how you are winning unless this is some kind of popularity vote. your work looks far more rushed then Gum's work. just a tip, try looking at a model when your drawing your figures, the legs and arm lengths are all wrong.
Gum - i think the faces that you put into gum, with all the teeth and claws was very original. the venom comment in phil's work is redundent. Marvel wishes venom was like gum. now for the bad things about your battle: it looks quite rushed in some areas. and you need to read over your work before you turn it in. i found grammer errors. you know what im talking about.
Eh...
Phil: Reading your comic I found a lot of little inconsistencies that really built up toward the end. I get the feeling you really wanted your comic to go a certain way and didn't think about any mistakes you might've made along the way. But first, I have to mention that looking at the Exiles in just purely your comics, I gotta wonder how anyone would know what the hell they are. Most of the time they seem like a gang or group of friends but then in this comic you're talking with them through an ear piece and asking for pick-up like you're on a mission? Same with Phil's attitude \"being a joke.\" It's very strange of you to be breaking the fourth wall by not only mentioning something like that but having Phil pissed about it. I'd expect something like that from a Cock Rocker, but not you.
Then there is the first page. I didn't really want to know how you were going to take out Gum by page 3 but I sure knew that I was going to find out pretty soon when I saw the furrie pulling on the gum on his wrist. Seriously man, thats the kind of foreshadowing I would expect from James Bond Jr. Kinda took out any sort of suspense you may have created. Considering the similarities between the comics I get the feeling you and Gum talked about what you wanted to happen during the match but I gotta ask what the hell Gum was doing? \"Continuing his rampage from the night before in an abandoned chemical plant\"? How kind of Gum to lead you right to the place where you actually have a chance of defeating him. Also, I don't so much have a problem with the jab considering you chose a very bad subject to aim for. No offense, but it kinda made me laugh. The hot chick one was pretty weak though.
The new threads I can accept. I even thought it was a good idea, since you chose for Phil to have knowledge of his position in Void, to be inspired by his anger over his situation. But then you had Exiles just happen to have a brand new outfit for Phil that perfectly fit the situation he was rushing into? Eh. Also, acid-proof clothes that don't include shoes? Question, why would acid be anywhere in a chemical plant besides the floor or safely in a tank where you don't have to worry about it?
Then, yeah the ice we all knew was happening and, well it works, but its been done a lot. I don't have many complaints about the fight itself past the ending. It just didn't sit right with me the way solutions kept slapping Phil in the face then highly corrosive acid puts itself right behind an unsuspecting Gum. I'm not gonna question the large quantity of super acid in a place like Void but I gotta wonder if that would even work on Gum. Acid doesn't work too well on the stuff and since Gum is some kinda sentient super gum I figure he might just be resistant to the stuff. But yeah, its a death match, so you gotta take him out somehow. Guess I'm saying I would've been happy with the cold stuff without going that far.
Synje: I don't have as many comments for you considering your comic contained a lot less story elements. This is a bad thing.
As much as I want to I can't really find fault with Estrella just unleashing you upon the city considering thats just about as in-depth as Phil put you into it. I don't like how Phil was just happening by when you started massacring people. I know both of you had some sort of grudges against each other but that doesn't mean you shouldn't write the other character well.
The nine lives thing, while just about as weak as the liquid nitrogen thing, I can't seem to dislike as much. Maybe because it reminds me of Tom and Jerry which is something I still like to watch as opposed to the James Bond Jr, which was quite possibly the worst cartoon ever conceived. Still, if you're gonna go bad, you chose a good way to do it. For your purposes, it was pretty entertaining and definitely explains a lot from Phil's previous comics. Not gonna twist that dagger though.
Like everyone else, the meowing really put me off, but not nearly as much as the grammar in your posts. I know dialogue works differently from written English but you could've at least, I dunno, added some periods and apostrophies to words like \"goin.\"
The fight in itself was disappointing past your creative use of the gum. I thought you were actually going to make it somewhat even when Phil cut you into four pieces but then it ceased to be a fight entirely and just became a show of ways you thought up to ruin his character.
Jeopardy music?
The ending was a big let down. It feels like you just took that picture of Phil putting make-up on and Phil being apologetic then mashed them together into some bastardization of both. Then you just kinda finished it with no real reason to have done that in the first place.
I gave my vote to Phil since he gave himself a story for the fight as opposed to almost none at all.
ofcourse i apaologize for that ending if it offending you phil. I dont have any hard feelings towards you cuz of this battle at all. Thanx for the voting and comments guys, keep them coming.
As for commenting on these, I dont want to beat around too many of the things that have been said already, but heres some of the things that come to mind.
Synje- The Estrella thing seemed WAY too forced man. It made no sense that SHE would be there, doing that, or saying ANY of the things she said. That whole page just seemed tossed in as a half assed explaination as to why GUM is now a completely different (acting and looking) character. It really kinda killed the whole thing from the beginning. The nine lives thing was genious, I really liked that whole idea. I think had the fight been a little more two-sided, and drawn from some diferent angles (it was confusing at times), and had an actual ending and not a cop-out ending... it would have been FAR better. It wasnt bad, it just had a lot more potential for the time you had to do it. Especially after all the hype you threw around online and at Wizard. The whole end seemed very rushed.
Phill. Again, your worst problems are consistancy and dialouge. Once again.... when Phill and surrounding characters arent sounding completely bored out of their minds, Phill's tossing random curse words in just for the hell of it. It still sounds REALLY wierd, and REALLY TRUELY forced, like its just ther to force a \"gritty\" or \"hardcore\" feel to a comic and style that really dont mesh well with those feelings. And it still doesnt match the character much in my opinion. Also, as was mentioned, I cant stress enough reading your comics outloud before finalizing them.... no one talks like the people in your comics do, and it makes it painful to read at times. Spelling could have used some work too, ESPECIALLY near the end. As for consistancy.... your anatomy is ok, but your proportions are insane at times. Like the bottom of page 4.... that panel makes Aeon Flux proportions look normal..... Phills like 12 feet tall there. Also your heads are often times VERY small.... and never really look attached to the necks they are on... more like action figure head/necks.... like a pumpkin sitting on a stump, I dunno how to describe it. You inking suffered too. I know you are capable of some pretty decent inking, but the beginning looks WAY differnt from the end. The end ESPECIALLY the last 2 pages, look VERy rushed.... I mean.... they do. Every part of them screams \"i spent more time at the beginning then I did at the end.\"
I think overall... I would PEOBABLy give you botht he same scores, haahaha. You both surprised me in some areas..... but you also both didnt surprise me in just the areas I knew you wouldnt, becuase Ive seen you both do it so many times before. I didnt get too much of a sense of growth as I feel like I should have out of either of you since we saw you guys last battle..... and for a DEATH match...... that you 2 talked about as much as you did..... this just wasnt really exciting on either side. This could have been a regular match.
I just have to say to \"KawaiiArch\"... reading your comments towards Synje... you obviously dont get the point of this site or the comic battles at all....... wow.... that was like..... straight up ignorance, and favoritism, totally.
Hey Phill... even if you dont live.... you'll make another character, and you will still refine. making a new guy doesnt mean starting over art wise. From that aspect you can pick up right where you left off with things like inking and whatnot.
hell's yes. it's these sota fights i like to see. let's see both fighter put it all on the line, no holding back!
alright, Phil, you got the bulk of my crit already, but i summarize it once more for the masses. you'e improved some things, ignored others, but pulled it all together and made a complete work that doesn't let up ontill the end. your story was good, had a plot hole or two but was interesting to read. might wanna work on your dialog a bit more thogh. read it out loud to yourself and ask yourself if this is the kind of stuff you would actually say in conversation. your backgrounds were good not becasue they were always there (yay!) but also becasue they felt like the character was in them! 100 points! But then there's the stuff i KEEP TELLING YOU about line weight and spot blacks. and clothing. and hair. and fur. blah blah. just keep your shit up. if there's one thing you do have it's consistant determination. i admire that.
Synje! i haven't had a chance to comment on any of you r battles before, so pardon me if you already know. the comic flowed well, teh characters were rendered nice, and i liked you sense of action, but the fight just seemed...lacking. it's was clever and well drawn but it didn't seem nearly as dangerous. you know? like i didn'y feel like gum was in any danger from phill. i think thats the biggest challange in writing the fight scene against two differently powered characters, is to make it seem like a fight and not just (pardon the pun) kitten stomping. so it wasn't enarly as entertaining as phils' plus you won (?) by humiliation, which is fine, but it wasn't a good enough punch line. if your going to go that route, the humor has to really be worth it, other wise it feels like a cop-out.
other than that it was good, asrtistically. i keep telling phil i like how other people draw him better than he does. nice work there. but what happened to the background after page five? did they start fighting inside a cloud? i don't even see a ground plane half the time! no backgrounds make me cry inside.
that's about it guys. may hte baddest ass win
I was torn on this fight at first, But i decided to make a clean fair vote.
Synje: Bravo on your art and style, I went back and read your older comics when I found out about this fight. You improved on both your art and story, however we should not vote on improvement...
The battle itself had me floored in the beginning few pages, Great art and seeming a good story... until things started to vanish, and Gum suddenly became this invincible god thing... more fitting of a an Armageddon boss then a fighter. Simply put, it took interest out of the story, we all know it ends with one fighter dieing, but You gave Phill's character NO chance at all. That was lame, There was no struggle at all for Gum, and the whole lady turning into a part of gum was also kinda lame, unexpected... but lame. The color page was a bit of a lead on and disappointed the reader when it suddenly became full out B&W , but I can forgive that.
Phill: While your art was not as good as Synje you definitely put more effort in, we saw backgrounds all the time, and characters interacting with more of their surroundings. In my opinion more effort was put into your comic. The Story was great, tyeing in your previous losses was smart, showing us that Phill is very much fallible adds humanity to him. He struggled the whole time through the fighting. And it was brilliant to make us think it was over when it wasn't! Gum surviving the Freezing kinda shocked me, I didn't expect that at all. Phill was very mortal, and gum was obviously the stronger of the two characters, I say Bravo for for smart fighting over power fighting. Most people tend to make their comics about over-powering each other, so this was a nice change.
the reason behind the match disappointed me and the pot-shots you took at each other was lame, i had to take points away for that.
but all in all, I had to give my vote to Phill, For superior story, and consistency. It was much more entertaining to read.
Why is everybody saying that I rushed this? Each page took at least a day to finish up completely! That's not rushing, 5 pages a day now... that's rushing! Seriously though, I'm going to refine my inks in the next comic should I live. There's no doubt about it.
both of these felt a little on the \"meh\" side to me. Neither wow'd me...
Synje's line art was more solid and his scenes more dynamic, but the story was pretty flat. A momentary \"oh.\" when Gum stretched in a fancy new way, but nothing that kept me interested.
Phill could've been more exacting with how he inked, it seemd a bit rushed. More substance in the story, but....well, if Synje's was a 90's Image comic, Phill's was a 90's saturday morning cartoon.
I think the \"lulz factor\" in both could have been better played. In either one the attempted humour felt thrown in and a bit cheap. The jokes needed more build up and be less of a non-sequitur...What was the real point of that Hot-chick refrence? What was the point of turning the character Phill into the artist Phill [besides a shot at him?] Remember that random doesn't always equate to funny.
IMHO randomness can add levity to a too-serious situation, but it can also tell the reader that the artist doesn't care much for/take the story too seriously; and with a tighter, simpler comic plot, that tends to come off as \"why are you even bothering with this?\" Tolerable if they're characters who /are/ pretty much random, but both Phill and Gum have a level of \"anti-hero seriousness\" about them, or something. Their humour should at least be a bit more contextual.
The people leaving comments on this are very silly. I would like to point something out. These are comics. Not reality.
Phill's story was less cliche, Synje's art was much better. So, it's pretty close. I would like to take a second to rag on Synje, though....
YOU HAD 3 FRIGGIN MONTHS TO DO THIS. If you would've just used half the time, you would've dominated this fight straight up.
Ok time to throw my two pennies in. My vote leans slighty towards Synje...although Phil's story is a little better (up to a point) The whole Nitrogen/Acid thing has been done so many times before, I almost knew it was coming as I was reading Phil's comic (especially with the big hint on page 4). Plus since when has acid been able to dessolve gum? Unless this was some new super acid...that his suit protected him from.
Plus I don't care who you are the idea of Phil having 9 lives is priceless...all though the ending was kinda week (and kind of a cheap shot...but Phil had his cheap shot too-although he has appologised for it). As far as the battle being one sided...I don't think that's true (to an extent) I'm usually dissapointed in Synje's battles....because I think Gum should be alot more powerful. Plus it wasn't really one sided. Phil got his licks in but in reality...if you throw Phil and Gum into the street and say fight, what's gonna happen? He's got a sword and Gum is made out of gum.
I give Phill the story vote (altough i kinda figured out what was gonna happen) , but quality (Synje really steped his game up) and entertainment goes to Synje all the way.
Phil:You've changed a little in your art which is always good and the entertainment level has been rising... Good job...
Gum : You not only just changed a little,but actually alot..... really a dope job this one and I still dig your art and am looking forward to see your future changes....
I found both to be fairly evenly matched, gums art was a bit better, but the creativity felt slightly lower. The personal attacks, hey if yall pulled em off well great, but just seemed like both of you were sacificing what you were going for for most the match to throw in little jabs. If your gonna mock someone in a comic let it flow in the comic, or dont bother. Good thing is seemed both of you put decent effort in. Lets see how it all turns out
I'd like to say something before anybody else comments on the jabs me and synje took on one another:
Even though this is technically a grudge match, I appologize for putting in that jab, as far as I see it, I could of removed it at the last minute to save myself some troubles. But! I won't appologize for the content of the jab! Not unless Synje decideds to appologize to me for his jab. But... I do appologize for having it in there, synje in this fight proved that he's got alot of talent and I'm wrong for putting that in. I won't do something like that again ok?
Next person who misuses the word \"epic\" gets kicked in the nuts. This was not an epic fight, but it had its good and bad points.
Phill- Good job. I will honestly say, like I said over AIM, that HOW Phill got his new duds was kind of lame in my book--but it could've been handled a lot worse. Magically having Draco hand him new gear is an easy out, and it didn't necessarily have to be explained beyond the whole \"I hate carrying around this stupid heavy coat\" line.
While I have my own complaints about Synje's comic, I will stay on-topic for now and say that, like I told you over AIM, this comic reminds me of the cartoons I used to watch as a kid. Of course you're gonna use NOS to freeze the gummy guy, and of course you're going to cut the chain load to swashbucklingly fly away from the dangerous vat of fluids. While the way you killed Gum was ironic, it was also something I as a reader (and viewer) have seen countless times.
Artistically, it was handled well, but like others are saying, you had months to prepare for this. I was kind of hoping for a fully-colored comic with smoother linework--there are points in the comic where lines that should be ruler-straight look like they were done freehand, like the establishing shot of the chemical factory on page four, panel one. Otherwise, good back-and-forth choreography, even if the climax came off as a little too familiar.
Another note: humor. A lot of the jokes in your comic seemed poorly-placed, or were either at too low of a level for adult comprehension or seemed to be there as page filler. The Hot Chick joke could've been handled well, but there was NO setup for it, and it jumped straight to the punchline. Even if I'd taken some kind of morbid humor out of it, the sheer idiocy of them considering their pure baseness aside, they lack funny. Not to be an ass, dude, but watch some sitcoms. GOOD sitcoms.
Synje - Ouch.
This reminds me of an Image comic from the early '90s--something along the lines of Pitt or Wetworks or CyberForce. One-sided \"fighting,\" if you can even call it that, with a jumbled and far-too-fast-moving and incomprehensible story to go with it. Yeah, I'll give you some credit for the nine lives bit, but I honestly wanted this comic to just end already. Phill's comic wasn't spectacular by any means, but at least it didn't make me not want to read it by continuing degrees of sophomoric vulgarity, like snapping a kid's neck for no real reason.
Solid art and decent choreography save it from total mediocrity in my eyes, but I think that if you'd gone beyond the standard \"meet, fight, I COMPLETELY DOMINATE J00\" humdrum that I see in comic after comic, you might've won this.
BOTH OF YOU - taking personal cheap shots at your fellow artists is low. This is competition, and if everybody else here can play nice, grudge match or not, so can you.
Redblood Phill: excellent storytelling here, obviously you put some thought into the dialogue and the angles used. In particular, I was quite impressed with page 6-- much variation in the angles give a great sense of action, yet it flowed so very well. Line quality really suffers though-- I see absolutely no reason to use line variation only on the left or right side of the foreground objects, because there is no light source conveyed by color, tones or shading anywhere. I would rather that line variation go all around the characters. Lines, though mostly sharp, often look jagged or faint, which I assume is PhotoShop not agreeing with how your comic looks on paper. Proportions and poses are also in need of work, though to a lesser extent.
GUM: First couple of pages weren't really interesting, but the fight sequence is superb! It's all very well choreographed and there is some good play on the abilities of both fighters. Line quality is formidable, as well. Maybe some more variation in the angles would have been welcome, as has been said, but I'm very impressed overall.
Votes leaning slightly toward GUM. There has understandably been some disapproval toward the perceived attack on Phill in the end of GUM's entry... but has nobody noticed the similar thing at the end of Phill's page 2 (4 if you're counting linked pages as two)? So I tried to ignore it. Shame on both of you guys for your shit-headed attitudes.
Phill-I can't say much that hasn't been said already, however, I must express my personal dislike on the blatent breaking of the fourth wall in your comic where GUM is murdering people due to \"his artist's lack of talent.\" It's a minor issue however, didn't really effect my overall vote. The storyline was good, could have... I'm not sure, could have had more feeling in it or something, but it was still decent. The dialogue all seemed \"flat\" to me for some reason, lacking emotion or not matching the facial expressions, though this is probably just me, as I can't put my finger on why I feel this way.
GUM: Good lord, have you ever read Phill's comics? Phill's character has little to do with the one in your comic, in fact I think the version of Phill you have in there is closer to Jingles than Phill, saying \"Meow\" every other speech bubble. In addition to that, when has he ever had nine lives, and then when you reveal him to actually be human... If he's human then there's even less reason for him to have nine lives, and then there's never an explanation as to if he never did have nine lives, how did you kill him all those times? In summary, I was very disappointed.
All in all, I felt like both battles were pretty evenly matched.
I think it'd do good for both of you if you cross-hatched with your inks a little. Or found some way to do some mid-tone ink shading, which would help cancel out some of the clutter you get when you do solid white next to solid black inks. I wanted to contribute a deeper comment, XD but I'm kinda blank.
Well, here's how I saw it.
With Phill's battle, although there was a lot more narrative to it, following Phill's tale as he went off to battle Gum, I felt that the drawing style itself wasn't as slick or as put-together as Gum's was. Although, Gum definitely could have benefitted from the inclusion of more backgrounds, for sure.
Also, Phill's wasn't exactly entertaining, while the effort to include some humour was definitely noticeable in Gum's attempt here.
All in all, I'd have to say Gum put out the better product, though they could both use a lot of tightening up with storytelling, anatomy, perspective... yeah.
alright, here goes.
Phill- I like how your pages had very little blank white space, and that you had background in all your pages. You also took very good advantage of perspective and angles (though in the first panel that phill is lying on the couch, phill's perspective and the couch's dont match. how is he not falling off? haha.), and your story was better, in my opinion. It's also good that you had phill acknowledge his losses, it added to his character and motivation for fighting gum. You get the higher score.
Synje- Your fight scenes were hella sauce, but that first page shit the bed all over the place. That background was just fucking lazy, and estrella looks like she has Also, the parts with estrella felt very unnecessary, i think the comic could have done without her. But, back to the good points. The nine lives thing was cool as hell, totally earns creativity points. Like i said again, you did put a lot of effort in the fight scenes. You could have taken the fight a bit more serious, though.
Wow impressed.
But my vote goes to Phill (and its not biased so hold your dumbshit).
Synje - I felt that your part was sort of a \"random battle.\" And some of the humor it in was just plain old retarded. The idea of Phill having 9 lives was ingenious, but the real Phillip in a Phill suit? That was just perposterous. Plus your story wasnt as deep enough. Who was that lady in the first page? Phill told me it was Estrella but it didnt look like her. Although you did have better quality than Phill, the plot was just kinda off. It didnt touch my fancy.
Phill - This really was a step up for yours apart from your other previous battles. It had a great storyline, and it gave it that sense of meaning. This was sort of a redemption for Phill whos just a mockery and can prove he can go above the limit. Also i liked how you put his attitude reflecting what was going on with him and how Draco explained otherwise. It was a cool idea to use the environment played into your battle instead of just the fighters powers/skills against the other. (But I did point out to you NO2 is nitrous oxide, not just nitrogen :P).
Congrats to Phill on my vote and goodluck in the future for both parties. This was certain a battle worth of my attention to miss closing time for takout at the dining hall x__x
Alright, here's what I gotta say.
Phill - I personally love your lineart. I wish you would color it, but for BW, it's pretty damn good. You do your action shots well, and there's not much to say here. Storywise, you do avoid a trap far too many writers fall into: you don't make Phill all-powerful. You realize that Gum's the stronger of the two, and you turn it into a brain vs. brawn of sorts. There wasn't a clear-cut winner until the end, and Phill walks away bruised and bleeding, with a hard-earned victory. A shame the last two pages didn't show up, cause they add a lot, IMO. Besides, any battle can be made better with NO2 and acid, m i rite? ^_^ I liked it a lot.
Synje - After seeing the first page...I nearly shat myself at your improvement. I'm impressed by the time and effort you put into self-improvement. The quality, unfortunately, starts to go down as the comic continues. However, I see you falling into the trap I mentioned earlier (same one I fall into). There...wasn't much of a challenge, cause Gum just dominates Phill. It really hurts the entertainment watching Phill get up to get owned repeatedly. The twist in the fourth panel was a very nice touch, though.
Aesthetically, once you get past the first pages, y'all are about even in my book. It's the first two pages that give Gum the slight edge. If the rest of your comic looked like that, I'd have to give you more points. Phill's was more fun to read, though, IMO.
it's too bad your other pages weren't officially uploaded, phill. hopefully people'll read the comments and read go to the links provided :\\
anyway, my votes went to phill. i was ABOUT to give my votes to synje, but the end ruined it for me :\\ it was building up so well, and then it just fell apart.
okay down to the nitty gritty
phill, i'm actually a little dissapointed with the quality. a lot of the lines were messy and shakey. i've seen you do better quality work before. i was expecting more. BUT! the inks were all complete, and it was clear what was going on in all of the panels. story wise (creativity and entertainment) i REAALLLYY enjoyed it. it was one of those stories where i didn't want it to end XD
i'm sure you already know what to improve on. background perspectives and fitting the characters in. blablablabla etcetcetc i've told you all this already XD
synje, i was actually surpirsed with yours. it was a lot better than i was expecting. i gotta say though, that page 1 was terrible. it was just.....nasty :[ the colours, compositions.....icky. the next page or two weren't that interesting either. lots of empty spaces. but when it got to the fight scene.....the line art suddenly seemed to step up a notch, and the whole thing got interesting. like i said above though, the end was a complete dissapointment. just a sudden drop-off jab at the artist (though, you drew human phill VERY well!). the little bits with estrella felt very....thrown-in. didn't feel like it should have been there, and everything she said was just....very unecessary. seemed like you were just trying to fill up empty space.
last thing, that i did NOTt take points off for, was how you didn't really let phill get any good hits in. like gum was suddenly this invincible character, even though he's never won a single fight. but yeah, like i said....i didn't take anything off for that. just thought i'd mention it.
OVERALL, i'm actually kinda dissapointed with both of these. i rated them for what they were, but.....damn guys, you two had MONTHS to work on this. you guys started work on them before the challenge was actually official, and with ALL THAT TIME, this is all you two turned in? tsk tsk tsk.
Phil-I was very impressed with your battle, the inking was lovely and this was your best looking battle so far. But where on earth did the last few pages go? I saw them, they exist, I was the one that put them together so I don't know what happened to your last 4 pages and why they're not here. Now your backgrounds could use work, they were shaky at times and could have benefitted from a ruler.
Gum-If your whole battle looked like the first few pages you would have won in my votes. You started out strong but once the actual fight started it fell apart and the backgrounds kind of disappeared. You could have pushed your inking so much more and pushed the camera angles. Don't get me wrong, this is the best I've seen from you, but you could have done so much more.
Well Synje is a complete doofus.....who doesn't underststand that there is a maximum page count..and only 10 slots in the uploader...so I have attempted to contact him and had no luck.....outta what little goodness I have left in my heart I have edited his pages....but I will not be doing so again....so everyone needs to follow the requirements for the fights they set up and not leave them for me to clean up
GOOD THING I GAVE PHIL PHOTOSHOP!
Don't worry Phil, I could always give you a sure win right now and take Synje out! He lives near me! I COuLD JUST DRIVE THERE!
Go whoever!
Break a fuckin' leg Phill. Don't you default because fate's a bitch for the second time. :I
You too, Synje-dood... That is, if your navy battlecruiser thingy has a scanner, and if you're reading this.
Lune is supplying me with a CD burn of CS and 7, so the hassle of downloading the program for at least 200 hours is not an option luckly. I'm good to finish this up nice and proper.
Will Phill get a new computer in time? Will everyone's favorite furry win victory or meet the reaper? Will that guy over there ever stop saying \"KILL PHILL\"? And where's my 50 dollars?
Tune in next time! Same Void Time! Same Void Channel!
Bad news guys... I just lost my computer, so unless in a month I can get a new computer, I might just have to postpone this fight... yeah, Phill is a douch.
Currently I'm on a hotel computer but I am working on the fight. I'm E-mailing galvo about this to see if it can be postpone, synje keep working on that fight ok? I'm going to be doing the same, however I'm probably going to be gone for a good month. I'm really sorry about this.
damnit angie that was what i was gunna say!
but i'll say it again for emphasis. phill, if you don't win i'm gunna kill you >:[ again!
and Rtv! be nice, no kicking the seels :<
at last! go phil, show us your not just a gag character for everyone to push around. show us your power. show us your bravery. show us your balls...
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in a metaphorical sense, of course...
ganbatte!
till next...
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