Speed Death Tournament 2008: Semifinals / Mr. Sun vs. Doctor Anthropos

Speed Death Tournament 2008: Semifinals — Mr. Sun vs. Doctor Anthropos

by Hiemie

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Helftan
Artist
68 comments
# 39   Posted: May 28 2008, 04:18 AM
i did not see this coming.

so Zsa was the only loser in this round . . .

Aluísio C. Santos
Artist
735 comments
# 38   Posted: May 28 2008, 03:38 AM
wow

Helftan
Artist
68 comments
# 37   Posted: May 27 2008, 07:23 AM
16 hours left 50pct 50pct WHAT WILL HAPPEN!

squid
Artist
421 comments
# 36   Posted: May 27 2008, 07:14 AM
I disagree with Phil; I think Thunderhead is what\'s tying all of the battles together.. I don\'t think it\'s quite fair to say that it\'s \"uncreative.\"

sixtem
Artist
395 comments
# 35   Posted: May 27 2008, 06:16 AM
Even though they both have 50%, the victory is decided by who has the most points. People have won before at 50%, winning by only a few points. I dunno if anyone\'s ever gotten the exact same amount of points, though...

saintpio
Artist
71 comments
# 34   Posted: May 27 2008, 02:18 AM
What happens if it\'s a draw? Has a draw ever happened before?

Phill
Artist
895 comments
# 33   Posted: May 27 2008, 02:01 AM
Shit... never commented on this fight


Hiemie: Awesome work man, this is one of the reasons why you get so far along in SDT matches. I really enjoyed the story work you put in here, however it is starting to get a bit repetitive with Thunderhead being the main antagonist and that kinda hurts the creativity for me. But I really thought it was funny with how you killed Anthropos by litterally scaring him to death. But it\'s just a bit too anticlimactic again.

With the art, well it\'s a lot better now than it was when you first joined, I\'m liking the use of establishing shots, and use of expressions to tell the story without it being EXTREME CARTOON style. But I\'m wanting to see you really push yourself further, you don\'t have to make extreme angles, but I think changing things up every now and then can really help to break away from the standard shot from the chest up while somebody talks.



Zsa: Dude, how you can ink and color 7+ pages... I wanna know the secret to that now! Anywho, with the story compared to hiemie\'s, it was just a bit of a let down for me, granted you\'re still putting your best foot forward on all of these matches. I kinda wanted to see more ya know? More of Mr. Sun and more of what Anthropos is planning.

Still though, despite it being the meet and greet, this story really had it\'s charm to it and it had the art to back it up in the end which really makes you quite the contender against Hiemie.




Overall, for the story this would go to Hiemie, granted it was kinda anticlimactic considering the character he\'s fighting. Art goes to Zsa for amazingly clean, highly detailed pages that seems just as good as the last fight! Even vote from me.

Kozispoon
Artist
1211 comments
# 32   Posted: May 27 2008, 12:38 AM
HIEMIE- love the lack of dialogue and dig the action to action paneling work. very swanky. An amusing (and very thunderhead) ending to the good Doctor. I also dug your other fighters cameos as well. ;)

ZSA- your backgrounds, linework and coloring is supah boss. The style is beginning to grow on me with this whole tournament, so kudos to you.

Points to both of you for making this vote a tough one- you both really brought it in different ways and made voting tough for all of us. I salute you!

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
463 comments
# 31   Posted: May 26 2008, 11:45 PM
Nogetdue... never heard of Thunderhead?

You shoulda followed the WHOLE SDT.... it makes this comic all the funnier!

Great stuff both of you!

Hiemie- I love that you didn\'t use words... you tell great stories with your art, and I knew just what was happening every step of the way. A great comic artist can tell a whole story through art alone... and man you pulled it off! I loved the ending too! These guys put the Grumpy old Men to shame!

Zsa- Man again you impress with the art. I like that you have kept a story going, a lot of people can\'t do that, especially in a tournament. Its good to see one long arc rather than a bunch of random events (not knocking yours, Hiemie, yours have a purpose and tell a story in their own way... people who follow tourneys here know what I mean... \"Hey... you are next on the list! Lets fight!\" type stories.... ugh)

Good luck to both of you!

jesse
141 comments
# 30   Posted: May 24 2008, 01:16 AM
Mr. Sun vs. Jakob for the finals!

JoshuaEliGilley
Artist
462 comments
# 29   Posted: May 23 2008, 05:40 PM
Very close, great fight!
Z won my vote because I like what he is doing with the continuity of the sdt.

nogetdue
3 comments
# 28   Posted: May 23 2008, 03:31 PM
^ Nitpick 1: In the first panel on page SIX, Mr. Sun’s face turns to mush.

nogetdue
3 comments
# 27   Posted: May 23 2008, 03:27 PM
Hiemie

+ Storytelling: Very good use of gesture and expression to tell the story. It was completely clear what was happening.

+ Shading. I like your selective use of shadows.

- Nitpick 1: In the first panel on page one, Mr. Sun’s face turns to mush.

- Nitpick 2: Page 3, bottom panel, I’m guessing Mr. Sun dashes in and they do some sort of special handshake that involves wiggling their thumbs. Might have been better just to do a simple hand shake.

Favorite part: Thunderhead’s funeral flyer. I had never hear of him before this, but I really felt pain for the loss of such an obviously cool character.


zsabreuser

+ Colors: Your stuff is usually higher in saturation, but the color scheme you choose really conveys the dreary mood.

+  Anatomy: Your figures are looking very solid

~ Fight: Not much of one. The awesome exposition and huge explosion makes up for a lack of action.

Favorite part: Page 2, the last 2 panels. The broken body and blood smears are really iconic.

DelBarrio
Artist
426 comments
# 26   Posted: May 22 2008, 02:36 AM
Z: Your art style is amazing and works wonders in comics. C:

Hiemie: Your creativity never ceases to amuse. :>


In short, I love you both... but the fact that Hiemie\'s battle had no dialogue and had spot-on timing gave it a slight push ahead in my votes- but I\'d love to see either of you move forward.

Lucky Cypher
31 comments
# 25   Posted: May 21 2008, 04:28 PM
This is a funny one...where one lacks, the other rocks^^

-Storywise

Hiemie: Nice plot. Really enjoyed it and never saw it coming^^ It seems you\'re pretty good at telling a story without need of words and that\'s awsome. If you can do that then you can do anything with a story and I admire that. You won\'t have readers asking themselves if it\'s you or if they\'re really stupid^^

Zsabreuser!!! This is the first time that deception struck me while reading your stuff I\'m sorry to say. Very confusing. Using other players is fine if it does not make us forget about the first player! To me, it felt like there was huge gaps. And I know you can do better...that\'s why I\'m so damn sad!

-Art

Hiemie: You have a funny style. It ain\'t the kind of stuff I like best cause it\'s rough and very flashy, but that\'s just my taste and you don\'t care! I\'m telling you this because in this case it didn\'t matter, you got my interest and I enjoyed it. Be careful about splashes and finger-squishing-ish stuff though. You might have rough art, but those things are just sloppy unless there intentionaly everywhere.

Zsa: Nothing to say on that matter. You just rock...BUT keep in mind that the story\'s as important as the artwork!

dragon-dan
Artist
61 comments
# 24   Posted: May 21 2008, 02:14 PM
These tied for me.
Hiemie\'s was a blast.
zsab\'s was brilliant.

squid
Artist
421 comments
# 23   Posted: May 21 2008, 08:23 AM
Hiemie, I felt like some of your backgrounds here were kind of lax, like in the funeral home.. the most we seem to get is this bright wallpaper and then the casket... I think it would have helped to have an establishing shot of the home when he walked in.
I think page 2 is my favorite because of the transition to dark and gloomy to the cheery room inside. I feel like the raindrops kind of ruin the artwork though, with the thick, black and white lines. Perhaps you could have made them thinner, or maybe transparent, so they wouldn\'t seem so intrusive.
Still, I will be so sad if Mr. Sun loses.

Z, I liked the part at the end with Sun and Sebi a lot, actually. The events leading up to it seemed pretty slow, but I think you are trying to build up to the next comic?
Nice artwork, as always. =3

saintpio
Artist
71 comments
# 22   Posted: May 20 2008, 10:06 PM
I really like yours Hiemie. Every page had me really hanging out for the next one to load. Top marks on creativity there. I got into yours a lot too zsa but more for the art than the story since it kinda lost me just a little at first glance. Sorry I can\'t give more helpful crits but I really think these were top notch entries.

Mister Kent
Artist
958 comments
# 21   Posted: May 20 2008, 08:15 PM
Hiemie: Your storytelling skills were really proven here without words. The build-up page (4, with all the small talk!) was great - this sort of pacing is enjoyable. Some of your previous battles have seemed anti-climactic, but this had a proper ending that was well set-up.

ZSA: The final page is epic. But to rewind a little, I too enjoyed the cameos by the Daughters and mention of the other fallen fighters. The opening page was wonderful perspective, and the colors are good throughout. Mr. Sun didn\'t really seem to fit into the story at all - he didn\'t really mesh with the build-up and intense narration you were building on the first few pages. But overall, a well-made comic!


Aluísio C. Santos
Artist
735 comments
# 20   Posted: May 20 2008, 03:49 PM
Ouch, I forgot a crit for you Hiemie.

I really am a fan of your art, though I think you could take a look on Elio\'s sugestion. You could try experimenting new ways for your art, as it seems to be on that level for some time already.

Story wise i was very happy with it, because it\'s pretty funny and also, for being a no speech battle, it was really well made. And the mansion\'s blacks :ooo

Perosnally my only gripe with it is that while you\'ve set the nuclear explosion when he dies the major feature of mr sun\'s characteristics, i mean, it\'s not something you can let go, you\'ve killed anthropos with a heart attack (i mean, he was scared to death??), when Anthropos doesnt even have a heart, as it says on it\'s bios. Anthropos only dies if he loses his will to live. It might be an alternative to just skip the nuclear explosion anddo this comic with an old man with a sun head. Or do I consider the bio?

Aluísio C. Santos
Artist
735 comments
# 19   Posted: May 20 2008, 03:32 PM
Thanks for the crits!

Elio: Thanks! And you said it spot on, I had quite a few complications coming up with a plot for this nuclear guy.

Lune: Thanks a lot! I agree that this is not an easy read, but in fact this is not a comic for the first time reader, since it\'s the third round of a tournament, I spected the reader to have read all of the previous SDT entries before coming to this comic I made, the same way you don\'t go reading a manga by the final chapters or something. I know that many comics in this tourney can be read isolate, becuase they don\'t have strings attached to anything else, like Hiemie\'s himself, or some of Dure\'s, for that instance, and I have to take this as a flaw for my comic, indeed, for not standing on it\'s own alone. I\'ll try to focus more on the telling rather than the art next time!

Helf: Thanks! I totally agree! I\'ve always wanted to do some \"pallete swap\" things, like they do on fighting games, but I never got corageous enough to risk it, hehe. It\'s a good idea, though. Thanks!

Angie: Glad you liked! And also for getting the reason Anthropos barely takes part on Mr.Sun getting killed, since it seems to be one of Mr.Sun\'s \"abilities\", or characteristics.

Percaaa: Thanks! Now that you mentioned it, I totally forgot to add the bandage in the last Sebi panel, but no, that\'s not a bandage from Anthropos or anything, it\'s from the original Monday\'s concept, that I happen to forgot.

The following paragraph wil lexplain the plot holes (which actually aren\'t holes, but requires a bit of imaging, which is not included in the comic), if you HAVENT READ THE COMIC, DONT READ FURTHER, as I don\'t want this to interfere in any way with the voting, but mostly explaining Perca\'s doubts:
To completely understand this, this plot is take as canon both Dure\'s first battle, and Jacob\'s battle timeline, meaning that: Sebi, the immortal, got swallowed by David\'s demons. Then, David gets killed by Jacob. Sebi, being an immortal being, escapes from the clutches of the deceased devil who ate him. He even signs his escape (Fuck Highlanders).

Sorry, for the misleading plot ; ;

And thanks again, more crits are welcome, specially if they are repeating flaws, because that meter what I need to work most!

IWIHASCOE
Artist
178 comments
# 18   Posted: May 20 2008, 12:57 PM
Hiemie: Damn, this is the best Mr. Sun round so far, it made me laugh so hard! I mean, from your last comics (not just with this character) I always had a lil hard time getting the jokes, but this time, I felt like the humor on this was so free of any language barriers it made my brazilian heart full of joy, seriously! I agree with Elio about the color palettes, but it didn\'t stand in my way that much; I kinda had to reread the comic to get what was bothering me about the colors, so… Yeah. I loved this. Keep it simple, keep it rolling.

Zsa: Dude, this my favorite Doc. Anthropos fight, as this is the first comic of this character that I was able to tell what was going on by first read (action wise). The colors are well balanced, the inks are gorgeous and you’re getting a better grip at the black shades, that are making your drawings stand in a better way than before. What I do agree with others is that the plot is confusing, I reread the comic 3 times and still am no sure about what happened, I mean… Sebi is using Doc’s leg? Cuz if so, I kinda saw a bandage on his left leg on page 3, but it disappears on the following pages, no? A I day dreaming? If Sebi is not under control of Doc A., I didn’t get how he’s still alive… did he escape from David’s head? I’m having lots of doubts on the plot, that I don’t think was your intention to get people like me confused. I kinda felt like Mr. Sun was a bit ooc appearance wise, as he is portrayed as a cool calm old guy, in your style I felt like he was devil powerful man face stacked in an average old body build, and it felt a bit weird for me… But it can be just your style, I was just wondering… I also missed the character on the comic, and as he’s your opponent, I was expecting him to do more in the story. This is just something to think about on next comics. Once again, stunning art, I’m jealous, fella.

Rock Rock Rock!

Angie
Council
1937 comments
# 17   Posted: May 20 2008, 12:50 PM
Hiemie-I know you were worried about doing a comic without words but I think your humor and pacing carry over well without the use of words. I do have to agree with Elio though about your color palette. My painting teachers would have punched me for that haha But I also acknowledge that you didn\'t really have the time to really experiment with a more sophisticated palette and such. So the extreme colors works fine for me even if I\'m not a fan of them. I would like you to continue to work on your lineart and quality in the future although a week deadline isn\'t the ideal time to try it, it\'s something to keep in mind for future battles.

Zsab-I really like what you\'re doing with the story, it\'s really neat that you\'re continuing to use dead fighters. Your stories are getting more coherent but it felt really anti climactic in the way Mr.Sun died. But then again, that\'s how Mr.Sun\'s opponents seemed to die so intentional or not, it made sense to me. The colors and lineart were top notch and I\'m glad to see you were able to finish since I know you were worried you wouldn\'t.

I enjoyed both halves, good job guys!

Helftan
Artist
68 comments
# 16   Posted: May 20 2008, 11:25 AM
Both of your entries are amazing i was sure that Zsa would win this one
but i am not so sure anymore.this one comes down to taste and desire,
both of them are so well executed.

the time period is harsh and you did better than i would have imagined

Zsa. perhaps you should try using colors that are not correct like making a skin tone
yellow or green to mix up the colors.everything is a bit too correct color vise but that
might just be me.

good luck to you both i really enjoyed reading them!

luniara
Artist
528 comments
# 15   Posted: May 20 2008, 10:22 AM
Heimie: Ahaha, Great entry, I can easily get the picture of whats happening, and the fact that you were able to tell a story without words- is just awesome.  If you get into the next round, and use color- I think you should try to fix the colors between Mr. Sun and the bright backgrounds. Perhaps not make the BGs so saturated so your foreground isn\'t so lost. Great work though! Good luck! <3

Zsa: You have talent, your style, coloring and paneling skills are amazing. I believe I mentioned this in chat, but Art can not always carry a comic- and that is true in this situation. Your story telling still lacks. What I mean- your story doesnt merge well into the next area, nor would anyone who is just jumping in, be able to tell what is going on in one situation. I see one character, then i see the next, then another who I hadn\'t seen before. Pretty much, the story is just jumping around WAY to much for 5 pages. Hella confusing. Work on some story-boarding if you do not already. Good work, and Good luck!

Elio
48 comments
# 14   Posted: May 20 2008, 08:05 AM
ZSA - Great entry. Your drawings are becoming more easier to read and much clearer.

The atmosphere was great, and page two was killer! The bottom panel where you zoom out and you see all the demons spilled out of that kids head. beautiful!! The one weakness you had is dealing with Mr. Sun, it seems like you just wanted to get him out of the way as quick as possible. I would of enjoyed a little better handing of him. I really wanted to see the doctor use some cleaver way to burn him out.  

Hiemie - Your comics in this tourney have been epic. I\'ve been meaning to comment earlier. Your humor is spot on. It\'s not necessarily the joke that makes me laugh, its your execution of them is comic brilliance. For example in this battle, page 4 is full of little small talk, building up to page 5 you have mean ol thunderhead popping out in a giant panel and the expression on his face, I was dying. I think your strength is your timing and making simple gags work really well in comics.

But I can\'t let you go without giving you something proper to work with. Which would be I\'d like to see you work with a little bit more sophisticated color palette. I think your comics would come off a lot better and professional if you were to make some different choices of colors. For example, The color of Mr. Sun\'s coat is that toxic green, I can tell you got it straight out of the tube and it makes my eyes cry. Try mixing your colors up a bit, experiment with limited palettes. No more straight out of the tube young man!!

I want you to take a look at other artist like GIPI (firstsecondbooks.com/garageBand.html), Rutu Modan (modan.blogs.nytimes.com) and Scott Campbell (www.scott-c.blogspot.com/) or Isreal Sanchez (israelsanchez.com) They all have awesome color palettes, and with some practice you\'ll level up hardcore.


Aluísio C. Santos
Artist
735 comments
# 13   Posted: May 18 2008, 11:54 PM
whoaaaa. 6 min left.
Uplaoded.

Hiemie
Artist
511 comments
# 12   Posted: May 18 2008, 09:13 PM
Uploaded.

Aluísio C. Santos
Artist
735 comments
# 11   Posted: May 18 2008, 10:02 AM
fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck

Airlight
Artist
136 comments
# 10   Posted: May 15 2008, 12:57 AM
Oh did I say Zsa? MY BAD. I must\'ve mispelled something.. how\'s Hiemie spelled.. uhhmm.

KIDDING. just have a good time you guys. I\'m rootin\' for both of you because it\'s too hard to be partial to one person :|

Kon
Artist
194 comments
# 9   Posted: May 13 2008, 11:14 AM
Hell yeah!

sixtem
Artist
395 comments
# 8   Posted: May 12 2008, 02:18 PM
If Bad Apple\'s fight with Basil is any inclination, Hiemie isn\'t gonna disappoint, no matter who he\'s up against.

I\'m looking forward to your comics, guys!

Hiemie
Artist
511 comments
# 7   Posted: May 12 2008, 01:54 PM
Airight, why are you worried about Zsa, you should be worried about me, I\'m facing him. He\'s an asskicker.

Airlight
Artist
136 comments
# 6   Posted: May 12 2008, 09:32 AM
oh shi

YOU CAN DO THIS ZSA

Monday
Artist
964 comments
# 5   Posted: May 12 2008, 09:01 AM
Oldie battle

E.W. Schneider
Artist
1070 comments
# 4   Posted: May 12 2008, 08:54 AM
And so, history follows.

justarhymes
Artist
654 comments
# 3   Posted: May 12 2008, 07:25 AM
GIVE HIM HELL >:|

Angie
Council
1937 comments
# 2   Posted: May 12 2008, 06:34 AM
oh man

Aluísio C. Santos
Artist
735 comments
# 1   Posted: May 12 2008, 06:23 AM
uhohhh

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Speed Death Tournament Match
Drawing Time: 1 week
Ended: May 27th, 2008
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