[galvo]

who remembers the talks of training mode?
was a nice idea eh?


well i was talking to some of the kids in council today, (jj, fel, zato, heimie) and we decided we'd give this psuedo training mode a little test run.


now first n foremost i'd like to thank gauge for bringing this up to me, cuase even for me... this is going to be a great thing to do as an artist, a great thing to actually take SERIOUSLY.. to grow as an artist.


now for the most part... yer not gonna get shit out of this.  and by shit i mean POINTS, or STICKERS, or CONDOMS, or WINS on the actual site... they only thing you're gonna get... is respect, critiques... and a better understanding of art and an increased level in your skill.

and in the end thats all that really matters guys.
and you all know it.



so we decided to pick something that would be easy at first, but something that A LOT of us need work on.  in fact i can easily say that EVERYONE here, with the exception of some of the near pro people here, need work on this.

now we're thinking we'll have weekly, if not bi-weekly assignments.
now the deadlines are kinda just there for you as a person.
but we'll have a thread open to drop yer assignment in, and get critiques on.


now i know a lot of people wont participate... but i dont give a shit.
thats not how void works.
if i worried bout that when void first opened up, there wouldn't BE a void.


so anyways, this little test run is gonna go through the art jams forum so we dont open up a new section so fast.

the first assignment is due next sunday...
and it is...


DRAW 50+ REAL LIFE HANDS[/size]


no anime shit, no stylistic shit, lets see some life drawing, learn the wrinkles in hands, you all have ... or should have a free hand to look at while you're drawing.

the point of this assignment is to learn the hand, its wrinkles, the knuckles, the veins, w/e the hell it is that makes a hand.
so yah, get to it!
 

[King_Pong]

Any hands that are traced and given little beaks and legs won't count towards our total of 50 will they?
This actually sounds like a fair and worthwhile challenge.  

[Molotai]

Yea, Im up for it. God knows I need to work on my hands, But hell, who doesnt these days. Ill see this on sunday, Art in hand.

~Molotai  :ace:  

[(Pi)]

does drawing from loomis count? :huh:

[justarhymes]

Ooh.  I'm gonna try to hit this up.  I'll probably be late, though, 'cause I gotta worry about finals first.

[JTDemon]

sounds cool , definitly the kinda thing I'd like to participate in , will try and make time for this , the next week's kinda hectic....




there'd better a be a "draw 50 pairs-o-boobs" assignment

[JB!]

ill keep adding to this post

my first 10 hands



next 6



next 4 (total 20)

[Powerz]

...sounds sweet, but i bet ya a penny ill give up on like the 5th hand.
i was planing of doing a few pages on the study of hands so this is a great idea for me ^_^

guess i better get started if i wanna do 50.

[mickey]

So in short, no, I wasn't kidding. I honestly would like to know if using loomis as a reference would be considered unacceptable.

the answer is yes, it would be unacceptable.
not that this is my jam, but drawing from photographs and drawing from actual hands are two totally different things.

[RoadMaster]

So in short, no, I wasn't kidding. I honestly would like to know if using loomis as a reference would be considered unacceptable.

the answer is yes, it would be unacceptable.
not that this is my jam, but drawing from photographs and drawing from actual hands are two totally different things.

I dunno, I'm tempted to argue a bit about that not being allowed. Although I do think you SHOULD draw a LOT from your own hand if you are just using it "as reference", there are situations where you are at a level where diagrams will help you learn more about the anatomy of the hand. There are medical-level muscle diagrams out there of the hand which can help people a lot, whereas you can't just SEE every muscle in your own hands. That said, I don't think someone should just copy someone else's lineart of an ordinary hand, because that's just dull, and really you are just learning to trace without tracing paper instead of learning the ins and outs of the hand and how it is constructed. err, sorry for the rant.

[Elio]

I agree with roadmaster, but if depends what you are learning from the hands to begin with. If the perpose of the assiment is to learn to draw from real life, training your eye to detect light and shadow, curves, cuts, folds, dimenions, space, place, etc, etc, then YOUR hand will work just fine, don't be a internet whore. BUT on the other hand, if you want to know how the hand works interally, bones, muscles, why it works, then the diagrams, reference will come in handy. I think its smart to learn from of both, considering the nature of this web site.

FYI: The biggest reason people aren't encouraged to draw from photograph is because the flash from the camera flattens out the object.

[jho]

I find there's a distinctive difference between drawing from real life and drawing from photos.

drawing from photos/still media references  means the object is STILL, not moving, and maybe 2D. I am not sure if even statues are a good idea. (for humans/hands I mean, except still objects like fruits etc)

drawing from real life! The objects, even if it's subtle, is constantly moving. I think it actually help people MORE or LESS, who knows, but yeah it actually helps people to get the feel of lifeness (if that makes sense) and the sense of roundness of the three dimensional (living) objetcs itself. You can turn it around 360 degrees like a robot (har har) and try 920739217 different angles.

Plus, when you're using photo/still media references, your mind might try to match what on the photos/medias rather than study it. the point is to study the object so you can understand it better.

You can always study the muscles placement and all that, but not for -direct- references... if that makes sense. It is for understanding what's behind the skin better rather than a direct reference... uh I think I worded it wrong. But the point is to understand it better.

Pi: I think it's much better to churn out 50 different poses and angles of your OWN hand first rather than somebody else's hand. Once you actually understand more about the basic drawing of hand and etc, it's easier to draw other types of hands.

JB!: Nice! But I can see some definition of the hands kind of lost (just a few! Most of them are great!) and the firt one looks kind of awkward. The one under the first one also have the middle finger a bit too big, also the second one on the third row lost its definition.

But I LOVE the first one on the fourth row and the second one on the second row! Keep going!!


I also have to shut up and try to draw em myself, but assigments and work kills me, so may be next time

rahr ah rahr ahrahrha rant

[galvo]

tehres no restriction on anything.


the thing is for you to expand yer base, for you to grow as an artist

[DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)]

This is a great idea, Galvo+Council, shit I wish I had been there for this meeting so I coulda backed it all the way. Alreayd started at work, did a few on a legal pad with pen and marker.... will scan later.... i think i only got like 5 done, though, so... meh.



And is there anything Elio DOESNT know? shit whenever Im stuck on something imma call up this guy.

[Gauge]

wow I'm glad this took off so well.  I didn't think anyone would wanna do it since there's no tangible reward.  I did about 10 studies off of an anatomy book myself, the other 40 are going to be my own hands, or friends' hands if I can get them.  Use photos if you want, you WILL still learn shit about the hand.  But life reference will be more useful.

It's not only the flash that distorts, but the fact that the camera only has one lens, and we've got two.  Seriously, life is the best way to go.

[Dragonmaw]

I'm so doing this.

[(Pi)]

tehres no restriction on anything.


the thing is for you to expand yer base, for you to grow as an artist

Thanks, G. Just what I needed to hear, straight from the horse's mouth so to speak.

Also, thanks for giving me a reason to do hand studies. I know I'd be to lazy to do them on my own.

Oh, and I don't plan to be using photos for reference, just Loomis books.

[King_Pong]

FYI: The biggest reason people aren't encouraged to draw from photograph is because the flash from the camera flattens out the object.

Huh? :huh: Never heard that before.

[JB!]

*added 6 more hands to my post

i feel like im all outa hand positions..this is hard hahaha..

[Dragonmaw]

*added 6 more hands to my post

i feel like im all outa hand positions..this is hard hahaha..

I really like the cell phone hand, the shading seems way better.

[galvo]

damn... jb is on the fucking BALL.


GO JB

[DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)]

Did you draw your RIGHT HAND while holding the pencil WHILE DRAWING your right hand??? Damn man thats initiative. Keep it up dude.

[kubo]

Oye, This is what I am doing in my Drawing class right now. Maybe I'll scan them.

[DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)]

First 5. I'll add more as I get to em. Gotta try and remember to use pencil next time too.



 

[A Bad Idea]

This is a great idea, Galvo+Council, shit I wish I had been there for this meeting so I coulda backed it all the way.

Dude, you WERE online when the meeting was called, but apparently you live inside an away message.

This sounds like something I'll commit to, even if I don't meet the required 50 hands...I'll throw down as well, I guess. Unfortunately my stupid clumsy plum hands don't have as much AWESOME detail as JB's hands...well, except for excessive knuckle hair. :huh: