It's goodto be back

No prob. Thanks

thanks again,scarce really.

Good to see you back in full steam.

to angie and RoflQu, thank ytou, see thats copnstructive criticism, thats what this site is about, thats how I remembered it from the start. Not, "Thats sketchy" and thats it, thats not constructive criticisim, thats blandgerant, unhelpful, irrelevent, aggitating. I was fine with everyone asides one or two until that one, I'm sorry for my reaction. Rofl, the style I got the idea from in the 13 days of night illustrative novel, one of the stories in it. I loved it, it was different, no lines, straight paint. It's all new, I got lazy alot yes I admit it, but it's because of my job. I get up at 2 am, home by 7:30 pm, mon - fri. lol it's amazing I finished...I had a whole nother page planned, thats why it seems so seperate, I agree with everyone and it was kinda intentional to sheat it, but eh, i'll get better with time
I'm doing a beyond battle soon...not so rushed, try to polish it

thanks again guys

Mrnoitaull - Nice comic, man. I really enjoy you jumping around with your greys, although I think you need more contrast to push them out. It seems you're using the same 3 tones for everything and not giving a real bump. If you've only got 3 actual pens/watercolors or whatever you're using, toss in some blacks. A good exercise for that would be to maybe try composing something with just black and white to get some practice, because those greys can muddle together and leave your comic lacking a nice punch.

I don't know where you're going with your people, page one has a fairly realistic look to it, but the girl on the second page is somewhat cartoony looking and sort of breaks the flow. I'm getting that feeling from the eyes definitely, maybe work on that? I'd also watch your dynamic poses, because they're feeling kind of scrunched and not anatomically correct.

And my last gripe, on the final page, Corry's neck burning in the final panel bugged me due to his neck becoming suddenly elongated and not just having the shirt open up more to show it off. Overall, this was a pretty cool showing and I'm awaiting your next battle.

Scarce - Welcome back, always good to see an old-face come back to deliver comics. I really, really enjoy this style and I've seen this done before, but I can't recall the actual book. All the same, it's a very interesting look and much stronger than when we saw you back in 2004 , although I'm sure it's somewhat time-consuming to actually do.

First page, I'd move the text of Thia vs Corry off of that yellow (sign?) that it's over, because it kind of muddles out Corry's name. I think the open eye could have been expanded upon on page 2 to add more detail to it, some of the various splotches of paint make it feel kind of muddled, whereas the closed one right next to it feels a lot more detailed, even though the same techniques were used. Maybe a shine on the eye would have given it more life.

The (ka)-Boom on page 3 is very weak and it would have probably worked better if you hadn't made it transparent and also moved it somewhere else. Your building could have had more detail on it, and as a suggestion, if you're gonna do a massive explosion like that, I would recommend having more of the windows breaking and glass shattering. One of the windows that is right next to it is in perfect condition. Your actual explosion is really nice though, I just wish that BOOM wasn't in the way of it, because it makes it hard to appreciate it. Those solid colors on Thia on that page are much nicer than the sketchier one comes out looking stronger, too.

I think you should work and play up your on-fire Thia, she could be so much more firey looking. The 'my fucking rings' panel looks absolutely cool and is a pretty brave move to try and capture that nose pushing. I would however give her lips a shine to help highlight them out. You go down to Corry at the bottom of the page and the second panel featuring him goes back to sketchy, and I think he would look so much stronger if you had a solid color on him there. However, the sketchy works in the first panel featuring him, so take what you will from that.

Page 5's first panel would have been great with some thick smoldering smoke coming out from there. The Gotcha on page 5 is not readily apparent. As a rule of thumb, I'd try only doing 'word-panels' on a horizontal level, since vertically it's not totally obvious what it is right away. The panel with Casimir holding Corry is absolutely awesome looking. The end feels somewhat of a disappointment, only because the other pages are full of such visual detail and information and that seems so empty looking.

I would keep working with this style, it's interesting looking and I think you'll be able to do a lot with it. I also hope you stick around and do more stuff on here.

Mrnoitall-I have to echo what William said, the lack of blacks and true darks in your work kind of make your overall tones look muddy. Like I know in a hospital setting the lighting will often be very soft and artificial but there will still be blacks present. I think you're making improvements with your watercolors all the time, but there's still this whole lack of control and confidence there. Another thing to watch out for is the layout of your text, I think you're doing it fine most of the time, but there's a few panels where you got a little too close to the edge of the balloon which kind of hurt your overall presentation.

Scarce-I know it can be frustrating to spend a lot of time on something and then have people dislike it, it happens. Shit, my older battles it took me 11 hours a page just to color, I've since gotten much faster but just because I spent 11 hours coloring it didn't make it good. It's best to just not take it personally and take what advice you can get and move on.

Anyways, try not to use dodge or from what I can tell, dodge layers because they're making your color go so saturated you can't quite tell what's what. You can be different and be expressive, that kind of thing is fine, but there has to be enough clarity to tell what's going on. It also helps to be consistent. Like you have these very rigid line tool backgrounds early on, but then they get super expressive and loose later on which feels a little jarring.

The biggest thing hurting you is all the closeups. Like the closeups work fine on the first 3 panels of the 4th page as there's a natural transition there so I know exactly what's happening. But on the bottom part of page 4 you go from a far off frontal shot to a super close up side shot to a shot of Corry with Thia. The transition between those three panels was kind of confusing because we didn't see Thia around Corry until the final panel so it was unclear that he was talking to her. It also took a few read throughs to get what happened on page 5 because there was no further out clear shot of Casimir catching Corry, you also went a little too dark there. Overall you had some nice things going on with the coloring, the shots of Thia in the beginning were very nice.

For both comics I was fine with the stories, you don't always need much of a reason for two characters to interact.

one more note...I put alot of time on this, after 4 years of no photoshop, I don't think it's that damn bad. How in the hell can anyone ever be original on anything if people do nothing but bash you cause your not like everyone else?

yeah....4.20 for a comic, if gas can be 3 dollars a gallon, milk 4, cigs 6...why the hell not. Kinda silly to point out something so trivial, didn't realize it was on sale next week

not every fight on this site is purposeful, the purpose of my match was to bring thia back, and I achieved that. And I wasnt aware everyone in the world had to do things exactly the same. I've never colored anything like this, how about you refer to my previous fights and see how they were done. This site is about improvement and individualism, telling someone there colors are scratchy but everything else is good...thats just silly, if your gonna try to crit, makie it pointful, like you did with mrnoitaull. Seems a little bias

Will, the setting was a group agreement: she waking up in the hospital from scar match and me getting my stitches pulled from previous match.

but will do with the blacks my man.
grassyass

I think the connection between the characters in both stories is...too coincidental.  I guess a better word is tenuous.  There's just no real reason for them being in the same room.  Pretty much the same story happens, Thia wakes up, burns things, runs away and Corry is going "Huh?"  And in this case, Corry's side does it better.

Mrnoitaull I think I'd like to see some real blacks in your stuff.  The greys are nice but I think some real shadows and darker outlines would help ground it more.  Especially because there's a bit of inconsistency in that you do it sometimes, very little and then forget about it and the same thing with the outlines.  Faces are nice though.  And your forms though vague are cool too.  Though sometimes, they start to slip away from being human, like the nurse on the last page, she looks really wierd when she's grabbing on to corry in that last panel.

Scarce's entry gets kudos for the style attempt but at the same time, that really scratchy look is distracting.  I've seen a few other people try it on the site and really the same drawbacks are always present.  While the shapes are all nice and suggestive and the colors are all nice and bright, it's just too scratchy and overpowering, which just makes it seem kinda sloppy.  Even if you were to argue against that, it's just the impression it leaves.   ...And really 4.20 for a comic?  

Point to scarce for being somewhat experimental with the art, some of it is downright attractive.  I want to buy that text dinner.

At the same time neither of my scores were very high.  I  keep reading published stuff from marvel or dc where even their writers are kind of joking about talking while fighting.  That's a nitpick, but there's not much else for me to really concentrate on, it's another random meeting between two superpowered individuals where they don't really seem to alter one another's story and nothing much actually happens.  Good artistic exercise from both of you though.

Mnoitaull, I would like to see the textures smoothed out a little bit. All the marks inside the color get a bit distracting. I would also like to see you actually use perspective on the backgrounds, there were several times when the characters and the floor did not meet together properly. More effort on the backgrounds would be better in general, rather than just bare walls. It doesn't feel like a hospital at all.

Scarce
I like the original approach to this, but I would have pulled back on some of the craziness. It was difficult for me to tell that a few panels were eyes. THe textures were really scratchy as well which was distracting.I couldnt tell what was going on in the "Gotcha" panel. Overall I would focus on Clarity and being easily understood.

Good job guys.

mrnoitaul: Good stuff I like the wash look and some of your layouts. I definately suggest filling in your panels with some props, more background and watch your perspective like panel four page six. Its all off.

Scarce: Again good stuff, some of it was a bit confusing, I'm loving the colors. Page three panel one your boom sound effect needs more clarity it was near invisible. You should have made panel 2 and 3 a lot more of a size difference of the close up.

That's just me though. good job guy's looking forward to your next battles.

Wow, this was a great one:
 Mrnoitaull → I think your getting ALOT better with your techniqes. I love the ink washed you added to it. And your outline have improved alot. This would have been awesomer wit some color, but i still love it the way it is.

 Scarce → Yours was short and sweet. I'm really digging the rough colors, but I'm noticing some unnecessary closeups.

Great job to both of you

ditto,scarce. Wish I could've given more. so PLB, u apologize about using his character's name, but....
Jokes, I know you know.

It's all good

I had alot of fun on this one, glad we could do this and good luck

Mrnoitaull, that came out awesome man, I love your use of perspective in the panels when corry sees the needles. The layout flows good and good dialouge.

Waiting for this one... Don'nt worry mrnoitaull .... as long as there is no default.

I apologize in advance, scarce.
No defaulting, jus aint finished.

Traditional it is , ladies and gents.
Hope i don't disappoint.

haha adorable, eh?

This matchup is just too frikkin adorable. I gotta see this

can't wait to see this!

pick one , when I'm in the mood to do the reference sheet and not excited about my fight, then I'll redo it...besides there's a couple changes that'll happen after this fight, then I'll redo it...I'm not spending hours doing one just in a couple weeks spend hours to do another.

wow....that's a crap design sheet......what did you spend on that?..... one minute or two?

I'm talking to j-pop now, the hair was the only scar...I'm aware of the update needed already, already doing it

Hey Scarce, you need to update Thia's design sheet to reflect the scar J-pop gave her or this battle can't happen. I vividly remember Paul Reiser being attached to her side and Vanilla Ice haircuts being involved.