Dan vs. Daku

Dan vs. Daku

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DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
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463 comments
# 40  
um. ok. well, he dont wear the new one all the time. Its a transitional phase. Dude you dont just come in and tell sopmeone to change their character when you done shit here. Other CONSTRUCTIVE crits, sure, but little bitchy crap like this? Sorry you dont like that hes not in costume. In the story, he wasnt SUPPOST to be fighting, if you had read it, you would know that. if you were a football player, would you walk around ALL the time in yer pads jersey and helmet?

langelotti
7 comments
# 39  
skull, i dont get the costume change? the other one was really cool, this "new" dan isnt working, do sumthing, but other than that great job, i like the fight

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
463 comments
# 38  
i agree with you mase. On everything cept how dan reacted to the shoulder thing. basically he was in shock becuase its been yyears since hes been hit like that. And, theres something else.... we wont find that out until the 3rd or 4th part of this story arc though. Might involve a clash of EPIC proportions though.... hope I go through with it.

Mase
Artist
81 comments
# 37  
Dan - I think you should increase your panel count.  This could have been done in 5 pages instead of 10.  Also, you need more action in your poses.  If he was really stuck through the shoulder, he should be trying like hell to get out IMMEDIATELY, but he seemed limp most of the time.
As for the tones, how you did the first page was fine, IMHO.  It didn't fall apart until you started with all the effects.  Some simple cross-hatch tones - like in the original TMNT comics - would work nice with your style.

Marley
Artist
259 comments
# 36  
ahhh spikes just told me that Kainsword's battle against dan was actually his second battle on the site. They just reused it or something? I guess it would be smart to read the first comment hahahah =P

Thats funny for all of the people that said he was "getting better" They obviously didn't even look at the fight




dama
30 comments
# 35  
ur mean

dama
30 comments
# 34  
daaaaamn...

Marley
Artist
259 comments
# 33  
Dan- I can see what shelde means about the tones. Mickey said something to me about one of my pages before when I tried tones. She said the composition looked grey. It made perfect sense. It wasn't the work shinning out, it was the tones. Thats what happend here. When I look at your pages the first thing I notice are the tones. You want the tones to enhance your work... not cover it. BAD ROdan for the background, but I know you've probably heard that a gazillion times by now. You were a little squeezed for time too... still BAD DAN hahah

Daku - Was not impressed, and this may be jackassery, but I doubt you really care about making an effort to improve. I have nothing good to say about your battle, so I'll save my breath. You probably wouldn't listen anyway

Varis
7 comments
# 32  
Daku, I must say, your fight looks very rushed. The fact that you wrote in the dialogue looks like you did it in ten minutes and were through with it.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
463 comments
# 31  
yuh, ok.

dama
30 comments
# 30  
by the way i agree with shelde5000 on his comment

dama
30 comments
# 29  
dan ur stuff was......ok . i actually thought daku's was pretty good. coulda used some value like dan. and neater lines but good job

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
463 comments
# 28  
by "the right way" did you mean the "horribly wrong way at first , and then a LITTLE the right way?" hahaha, its cool man.

sheldon
Artist
141 comments
# 27  
at least my point was noticed. its juust that i see more and more crew starting to use this bullshit, and it makes me mad. you were the person i just decided to lash out on cause i know you'd take it the right way.

cheers danny boy.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
463 comments
# 26  
"...but i'd rather see a shitty one line cube with squares as a background before i see auto-bullshit."

You coulda said just that and I woulda gotten your point the first time, Jenkins. But I agree. it was a cop out to get the shit done. Point taken, Mr. Shelde.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
463 comments
# 25  
(no ill will here, just confused a little i guess...)

Like.... I dont see it as Im relying on them.

The back grounds, yes, they were gay. Some of the speed lines that I made, I wouldnt change. Other back grounds, I wouldnt (like page 10 when hes falling. It took a LONG time to make that, and it looks badass.)

But as far as the ACTUAL screen tone I used for the shading, and that I made.... Ive been using that for some time.... I dunno.

Its just how I do I guess. Imma try a lot harder on the next part, Dan vs Chef. Make sure to comment on that one. I'd like to know if it seems like I did better. Nearly all of the Back grounds (it takes place in a mall, UGH!) are hand drawn, but shading will still be done with that tone.... Im also NOT using the brush pen unless its an EXTREME close up. (sorry gabe, they may be great for you and Becky but I dont like em that much any more.)

sheldon
Artist
141 comments
# 24  
Dan: (no ill will here mate, purely my opinion)

Don't go throwing names and sources about like i don't know about them. I might not be the most knowledgable person about, but i'm not some fucking newbie.

seeing as you used it as an example, so will i. Demo. yes it uses tones, but it uses it creatively and SPARINGLY. it almost seems this particular battle of yours is RELYING on it. and of course this isnt your greatest piece ever, so its not as significant, but it is honestly all about how you use it.

true, some of my pieces have tones in them...only ones i seem to remember is my latest charlie pic, and the banner. both of which were created from scratch in paint. And any speedlines i have ever drawn was ink off a nib. I make my own shit cause i know its gonna look more 'right' in my own perspective. i pride myself on being able to do things manually before rushing into the fabulous digital age. And from the sounds of it you're making you're own as well, which is commendable, even though they look the same as the norm.

i didn't comment on lune's last battle cause i didnt LIKE lune's last battle. of course now i'm starting to realise though, that this sort of shit may be done in haste, and rushed. but i'd rather see a shitty one line cube with squares as a background before i see auto-bullshit.

like you said mate, 'whatever'.

sheldon
Artist
141 comments
# 23  
take it easy nero, this may sound hypocritical, but telling crew you're laughing at them cause of their lack of skill isn't called "being blunt" is called "being a dickhead".

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
463 comments
# 22  
i did draw my own except for like 2 places... where YES, in those like 2 places, it WAS a time saver..... I apologize..... I know how to draw speedlines though......

Dingo
Artist
276 comments
# 21  
nice job both of you. i really like dan's last page, the expressions on his face were awesome!
daku, you always have very precise movement lines and cool action effects. if you spent even more time on your comics than you do now, then they'd really kick major ass.

A Bad Idea
Artist
320 comments
# 20  
Hmm...I guess that explains most of it. That still doesn't excuse you from not drawing your own speedlines though. >_O

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
463 comments
# 19  
shelde.... you ever read the newspaper comics? you know..... the ones that have beena round since 1 million years before fuckin anime? the ones that use tones? You ever seen ANY blakc and white indy comics? they have TONES. Ever read Demo by becky Cloonan and brain wood? TONES. in the absence of using greys and color, one uses tones to show shading. Doesnt make it anime or mean it has anything to DO with anime. Fuckin ive seen tones in your shit and your shit definately aint anime either. If you're gonna lash out at someone for 5 pages about tones and say its becuase of anime.... well. whatever man. Yes, they do look like ass in some places, and yes, i had to alter some for lack of more time. At least i TRIED, which is a LOT more than i can say for all the rest involved, who i told on the first day DONT USE THE OLD FIGHT. Shit.... i didnt see you tear lunes last fight appart... it had all the same stuff you are complaining about here. the very first bg was from a page of anime, and it was my desktop for a while. whatever. I can see your point a little man, but you hid it behind such a wanting to sound like you knew what you were saying that it got pretty well hidden.

btw.... the main and ONLY tone I use in this comic (yes, unless you all are blind theres only ONE tone there, i increase the dot size to make darker or lighter like the NEWS PAPER does)... i made that shit myself. a few, a FEW of the speedlines, yes, i cut, the rest I also made. So yeah, also maybe research before you accuse man.

omg sheldes BANNER HAS TONES IN IT! and its NOT ANIME! its GAY NOW!


i dont hate you man, far from it. But sometimes foot in the mouth disease sucks.

A Bad Idea
Artist
320 comments
# 18  
*cracks knuckles* It's been a while since I've posted a novel-long crit...I think I'll just jump back into the boat then.

Dan : I dunno what to say about the 'Friar Dan' haircut, but it makes his head look flat. Like "I could put my coffee mug on there !"-flat. Now I'm not sure if this is a stylistic approach or just a flaw in anatomy, but his head seems to be missing a LOT of mass. Your attention to facial detail (noses especially) makes up for it though. There were also a few perspective problems here and there (like page 3 especially) that could be easily fixed...maybe look at jar's tutorial or something. *shrug*

The action flowed nicely, though it kinda dragged for an action sequence that could have been cut down a few pages. I loved the narrative, but it seemed he had WAY too much time to say all that before he breaks free and kicks Daku for the field goal. Also, the poses were kinda bland, especially the pose where Dan gets stabbed. *I* sure as hell wouldn't be that stiff if I were stabbed outta nowhere by a mutant moth. And ESPECIALLY page 11 where he breaks free and kicks. That page could be exponentially better with proper poses and swifter action lines. Perhaps you should draw your own lines instead of relying on tones, no ?

Which brings us to the next topic. I love how you've been using tones lately, but it seems in this fight you kinda relied a BIT TOO MUCH on them. While your inks weren't half-bad (dunno about the 'texture' on Daku though...looks like an attempt to texture carapace ?), the COMPLETE lack of inked backgrounds was a MAJOR setback. I agree with shelde about the tone backgrounds = DEATH. Those are only ever really used in a pinch, and even still makes comics look like junk.

All in all, you've got me interested in seeing where you're taking this. Keep it up bro.

Daku : I don't even think I need to say anything. I mean, this IS your second drawn fight on this site after all, am I right ? I *KNOW* you can do better than this. If effort were on the grading scale this round, you'd be getting F's. BOO.

Needless to say, the round goes to Dan. Unlike shelde, I've uninstalled AIM and will probably not be online in a WHILE, so you can't complain to me JUST YET. PAAH.

sheldon
Artist
141 comments
# 17  
ok. i'm gonna make you two cry. and believe me i'm doing this for your own fucking good.

Kains: FUCKING DAMMIT!! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING!??! I was sooooo happy and soooooooo impressed with that last fight you had with kura, and now you spit this out. what       the      fuck??? the last i saw from you had pacing, action and a sliver of a storyline, this had sweet fuck all. In two weeks, for fucks sake. you could do 10 times beter than this, why you aren't i just don't know. But i WANT to know.

You have an amazingly detailed character, he's not the easiest guy to draw. Yet EVERYONE you have battled has made the effort to draw him according to your specifications, YOU AT THE VERY FUCKING LEAST COULD DO THE SAME. your continuous lack of effort and respect to your opponent is really starting to shit me. And i think i'm the only one around here who is ready to lash out like this.

You need to shape up or ship out kid. i myself will be your fucking mentor if you like. i will honestly ride you until your drawing skills are up to par. Because its the only way you're going to learn. My aim name: shelde5000. use it.

Dan: This auto screentoning shit is really starting to piss me off. Whoever gave that link in the first place should be shot. or at very least, cut.  

Dan, this has to be the first fight i actually have seen from you and payed attention to. Your story, your pacing, its all grand, but without a firm grip on your stylistic direction, it just isn't justified. The way you draw does NOT.....DOES NOT suit the bullshit, click once drag twice, drop in action lines and pacing that you're using. Please tell me you used it as a piss take, cause thats all it looks like.

Your style is anything BUT anime. ANYTHING BUT. and when its accompanied by crappy anime/manga tones and lines then it just looks dumb. You, and just about everyone else using this bullshit method, needs to work/create/and develope new ways of portraying motion and action...cause its getting really fucking old.
And auto backgrounds?? it angers me, i see an auto background, and i get real fucking angry.

i liked your battle. but i didn't like the look of it. You are most DEFINATELY beter than this.



...
sorry if i am out of line to some, or if i have offended, but this shit has to stop. You have a problem with what i have said? My aim name is shelde5000. you type that in and let me know. Sorry again.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
463 comments
# 16  
About the ink.... yeah Gabe introduced me to these crazy brush india ink pens. While they are great if I was drawing on like say comic boards.... I wasnt for this fight. Nor will I be for Chef... But I think I'm gonna IXNAY the brush pens for that one too. yes... i ahve found something new to hate in life, and it is inking. Pretty pathetic for someone who did a whole 190 page graphic novel in highschool and 33 pages of the sequel, all without EVER touching a pencil.... course that was old toriyama style kinda..... anyways THANKS FOR THE COMMENTS GUYS!

Lune, when am I gonna get to spawn with you? I won't be this young and fertile forever ya know.....

Wyvern
Artist
179 comments
# 15  
Dan that was fucking epic!!  3 pages into..what was it...8?!?!  Awesome.  Your art style might not be mah fave of choice and the screentones seemed a little heavy sometimes, but I gotta give you total credit for fucking rocking with it, Daku looked awesome!

Daku - man, I wanna see some tighter inks from you!  I know it was only two weeks, but three pages of loose looking, kinda messy lineart without even an attempt at colour?  You draw Daku very well, everything else, noooot so much.  Let's see you buckle down for a challenge!!

Graphyte Ronin
Artist
113 comments
# 14  
Pretty quick fix, man.

luniara
Artist
528 comments
# 13  
Guru- that was mean of you to say, no bueno!!! But, maybe you're right- A lot of the people you lose against have no contest either.
OWNED.

Anyhow, Daku- You are improving on your comic skills, but I noticed your past fights you've been monstertizing your oppenents. It's not very good looking for your skills if you keep doing that. Next fight I want to see a human body and some nice colors like I see in your dA gallery. Ya'hear?

Dan-O conciever of my spawn, I love how you do your tones! Especially the background gradient kinda ones! I'm also diggin that Void hoodie! Blueah, All I want to see from you is thinner lines, though- it does look kinda awsome and fitting to your style.

Awsome fight you two.

Deaf
Artist
43 comments
# 12  
No contest.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
463 comments
# 11  
whatchoo talkin about, Graphyte?

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
463 comments
# 10  
you can get one just like it (minus the blood and the holes in it) at the void shop.

Varis
7 comments
# 9  
Ah! I love how he's wearing a void hoodie on page one... Awesome job guys ^_^

Graphyte Ronin
Artist
113 comments
# 8  
skullcapcomix: This is the first fight I've seen from you, though it seems you got quite a long-running record here.  "I come to the dessert sometimes to think", heh... so, does he eat desert after meals?

Wackiness aside, I liked the sense of action you conveyed, probably with the camera angles and such.  By the same token, I found it was really hard to discern what was happening when you did close-ups; I don't even know WHAT Dan was grabbing on page 9.

Good fight, though.  Story flowed well, and good use of screentones.

kainsword: What, it's a Daku world again... Dan has a segmented body, too?

Your choices for angles have become pretty good by now, I have to say-- the action flows pretty smoothly.  Though I have to say, the whole samurai routine seemed pretty cliche (Two strangers with blades meet up, slash each other, one falls).  

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
463 comments
# 7  
Its coming, hold your horses everyone! maintenance and convos of many hours in length with Vincenc and debates with kev withstanding, it shall be up within 48 hours AT MOST of right now: 11/20/04: 07:22:30

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
463 comments
# 6  
switched to thursday at the latest, due to construction done on Voids store. Have been hunting down images the last 2 days like some kinda freakin Boba Fett, so gimme a break. and CHECK IT OUT. www.cafepress.com/entervoid

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
463 comments
# 5  
Thanks Wei. will be in Monday Night.

Wei Ingnan
Artist
597 comments
# 4  
Extension given to Dan

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
463 comments
# 3  
Extension till Monday please.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
Artist
463 comments
# 2  
feel free to add to it man. we have 2 weeks. remember dan looks different. i know your stuff from now is way better than the days of old.

Kainsword17
Artist
24 comments
# 1  
I Have uploaded the Dan fight I did ages ago. This is because the Dan vs. Daku fight never happened last time. But remember, this fight ways donr ages ago, OK!! ^_^

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