StickMan vs. SHREDD

StickMan vs. SHREDD

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SilverLimit
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# 51  
Wow, unexpected O_o... Well, thanks for the support. I understand why people wouldn't vote for my side, it being incomplete and all, so frankly I'm suprised.

Reign
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# 50  
I am Evil, I hate people. 'nuff said

James
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# 49  
the game wasnt fun, which kinda negates the whole purpose of a game. go silver, though youre a cunt for not finishing all three pages

Kevin Birtcher
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# 48  
Take it to either IRC or the forum, if you guys can't give it a rest.

DarknessRising
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# 47  
Uh oh, Dan... Goin for the throat... I'm gonna back out of this one now, since I've already said what I have to say. SHREDD fight=Good, better if it were finished. Stickman fight=could be better. Neither were crap, neither were perfect. So there. Be happy. I think.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
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# 46  
Very true Reign. But what Silver DID submit did NOT deserve all ones. I'd like to hear your opinion for the only other fight you voted on as well, if you dont mind.

Reign
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# 45  
On the part of ppl being biased, isnt it all part of having an opinion/point of view? We can't all agree on the same thing. Just because one sees an art piece as a masterpiece it doesn't mean that every body else should see it as one too.

Reign
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# 44  
egads! Way i saw this fight was like the final fight for this tournament thingy or sumthin, was it not? That Stickman was the boss type figure? I dunno, correct me if i'm wrong. But I believe the game to be a pretty neat final battle submission on behalf of the void NPC's. So thenm would Flash drawn comics be shunned?

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
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# 43  
It is true what you say. it DOES happen a lot..... but I mean..... realistically..... theres not THAT much you can do. there will ALWAYS be people that come in and vote for just their friends and thats it...... be it if they do it nicely and only make them winning by a realistic margin, or if they do it in a bad way, like 3 points for one person and 30 the other..... i mean, we can weed out the poeple who are ONLY here to do that. Its easy to pick em out (and actually the MOST biased people didnt post anything here. Leads me to believe its a friend thing, because they have no reasons to post on why they voted as they did), and so the repeat offenders can lose voting privilages after a while. But it is hard to keep it "fair" so to speak, as even that term, when it comes to voting, means so many different things to so many different people.

Gauge
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# 42  
I don't know, for a long while now, I've always believed voting in VOID has had some serious bias issues.  That Sho/Slim Fang thing a looooooong time ago is an example of that.  I just feel bad for the council because they can only take care of that problem to a certain extent.  I don't mean ALL of you who just posted their opinions.  But one or two of you sound like you've got some biased views here.  

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
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# 41  
a LITTLE biased, Reign? apparently not only towards flash....
But anyways, this HAS gotten a bit stupid. Yes, the arguement CAN go both ways. Yes, dude, Toolio DID turn in a flash sequence back in the day. and HE LOST TOO!!!! forgot to mention that part! Seems even then, people dug the comic over the cartoon, even if it WAS gabe and it WAS flash. Its just the way it happened. And Wu turned in a flash against me back in the day. It was incomplete and turned in like weeks after the deadline, and i HELPED with it, and it WON. and I have no problem with that. My comic wasnt that great, and it WAS a kinda cool cartoon. I seriously think that the reason Shredd was winning and is still so close has nothing to do with it flash, but just the over all feel and creativeness and look behind it. Its just the overall FEEL. People FELT sydney over gabes cartoon. The FELT wu over my comic, and now a lot of people seem to be feeling Shredd a little over Wus game. So what? it happens. Just because its flash and a game dont mean its an automatic win. Thats what voting is for. I mean, if people are just gonna complain about whats scored.... whats the point? Only time I can see warranted for complaint is if cheating is involved. If there is, just tell me. I'll check for you. If not.... well.... i dont know. its getting kind of pointless.

Kevin Birtcher
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# 40  
Taking a feather from the cap of ThatGuy, I will now tell you what and why I voted the way I did.

StickMan:
Qul - 8 - The quality of the game itself is low, but you do get points because it's a game, and that's cool as hell
Cre - 8 - The game in kinda uninspired, but again, the fact that it's a game gives you points
Ent - 8 - The first time I played through it, it was great.  The story isn't <i>fantastic</i>, but it was fun.  However, replay value is a hair above 'none.'  And ever since 1998 or so, replay value is an important factor in games, so you lost points there.

Shredd:
Qul - 5 - Your work is always top-notch, but you lost points for being incomplete
Cre - 5 - Shadowed room, with the main guy incapacitated, while shadowed figured talk and foreshadow..? it's cliche
Ent - 7 - It's cool, and I wanted to see more, but not because I was overly drawn in, but that it was incomplete.

Reign
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# 39  
oh yeah, im a lover of flash so my opinion might b a little biased but what the hey ;P

Reign
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# 38  
dont c what the big deal is
way i see it is that stickmans an npc thus can do what he likes. Sick idea for the game btw. WHy's this getting so much heat when Toolio had a flash sequence subitted a while ago? Shredd could've had three pages at least, the page that was submitted was kinda cool but the whole three wouldve been better. man thats too much to read.

sauceboy
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# 37  
the game was cool...if you like games.  (props for making it...i know i couldn't have done it).  but based on actual sequentials (which is what we should be judging), SHREDD is the victor.  story is good. art is sweet. coloring is very much stylized, which i like. overall high quality. excellent job.  

Marley
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# 36  
the game is cute for sure... no offense intended, but this was a "speed death tournament" where we had only a week to finish a three page comic.... The novelty of a game isn't fair against a comic... The fact that he worked on it for three weeks when it was supposed to be finished in a week isn't fair either... if silver had finished 3 pages of fully rendered work... i would easily have given him the upper hand. Good work on the game though.

Kevin Birtcher
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# 35  
1244 - new high score

zombi
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# 34  
silver is my buddy, so i know he wont take this the wrong, none of you should too

silver - incomplete fight. i page looks cool, but the quality on the other two pages SUCK.

stickman, nice fight, ok graphics, very creative, very entertaining (hell its interactive), also complete

2 cents!

now, i also want to ask ppl to chill and not bring drama over to the commenting area... thats pushing it  
-_-;;;;

DarknessRising
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# 33  
I'd have to say I pretty much agree with Dan and Zato here... Stickman's game has the wow-factor, but... Well... Some of the things in it seem a bit... Lacking... At best... (why is it that Stickman teleports back to the right side of the screen after every attack...? Hmm...) Shredd's, on the other hand... Yeah, like the others have said. It has the entire story factor going for it, the entire "wow, this is getting interesting, I want to see more" factor. And that's what I'm basing my vote on.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
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# 32  
look, Wu.... i know we've had issues in the past. Hell, EVERYONE knows. But dude.... i just want you to know the way I voted was NOT based on that. I cant speak for anyone else, but the way I vote is STRICTLY on what is presented in front of me. I posted up above what I thought.... i mean... im sorry i didnt vote your way.... but its truely what I thought based on what I saw. I dont mean any ill-will toward you or steve or anyone else (except Psycho-Nuts)... i hope thats clear.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
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# 31  
no problem there, Zato. Crits should be more than one sentance anyways. The more you share on how you feel, the better it helps the artist know where everyone comes from.

A Bad Idea
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# 30  
Crap, I really DID stretch out the page with crits, didn't I ? x.O;

A Bad Idea
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# 29  
Dan : Dude you've got balls, and I respect that. Stepping into the gunfire like that...dude, that's earned you some medal or something. As much as I'd love to stretch out the comment page even MORE by throwing down a page of crits, I feel it unecissary to repeat what Dan has said thus far, so it's simple points from here on out. STICKMAN : Now I wasn't around to hear Wu talking up the Stickman game, but the game itself certainly took me by surprise. However, the quality itself had very little impact on me viewing the game in animation quality and whatnot. Sure, I'll give in that the deadline was 3 weeks and that the ability to create a whole game within that timespan is indeed valued, but the game held nothing for me except a few laughs and shocks. To put it simply, Stickman's side only had the "Wow Factor" to strengthen its presentation. SHREDD : I was talking to Silver the night before this battle was posted (and he even showed me the page before he threw down the dialogue). He threw down some solid ideas for a rather cool StickMan fight, but alas, as time would have it, he was unable to finish the fight. However, this doesn't mean that he didn't put out his best into this one page. I felt reading just this page that I was being (willingly) dragged further into the progression of SHREDD's story as a character and not just a walking piece of spikes and metal. I really was looking forward to the fight itself, though.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
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# 28  
i mean here.... i know im gonna get FLAMED for this, but heres MY opinion, in case anyone is wondering.
QUALITY: WU'S looked pretty good for if he was only working on it for 3 weeks (I'm not gonna get into that though) But ive seen better from him. From the way he was talking it up, im sorry, but I expected just a BIT more..... SILVERS, although it was only one page, it was probably the best page I've seen from him thus far, cept the few I stole from him at Acen. Like I can barely find ANYTHING wrong with this page. The colors and pencils look great.
CREATIVITY: Heres where i get mean sounding, though I'm sure I'm not the only one to think this.... The thought of a fighting game with Shredd and Stickguy was a cool idea to me. I had one thing all imagined out in my head from what Wu had been saying. And then what I saw was a bunch of mini games from Street Fighter and old Teenage Mutant Ninja Turltle games... I kinda didnt even want to play.... the only draw for me was that maybe the NEXT level would be something new.....sadly only about half of he game actually did that for me.....i even expected the impossibly hard encounter with the stick guy himself, followed by the gimongous baddy thats easy as hell to beat (because lets face it, thats how it usually is.) Plus, and I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but the StickGuy thing wasnt even technically original or creative when I did it first. (and again, sorry dude, but I had mine done by the time you started all yours for the death tourney guys and posted them in the forum.) SILVER'S character has always been original, and all the fights hes had with him have been too. This added piece pf the story had me intregued and interested in seeing more. Adding these new characters, and the constant crossing over of Shredd's and Glyph's stories has always had me interested. ENTERTAINMENT: Wu, it was ok as far as entertainment went. I had to go back and stop and play to READ everything because the text flies by so fast, but thats cool, i got it. Stick Guy had the same sarcastic and all powerful attitude I would expect him to have, that was kinda funny. I cant say it wasnt entertaining, because I DID play through the whole thing till I beat it. SILVERS sucked me in more though. Story, art, and dialouge all combined to make something I REALLY wanted to see all the way through to the bottom, not just button mash to see an ending that really had nothing other than "you win, play again?" I mean, sorry, but thats my vote, thats my comment. Take em as you will.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
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# 27  
Marleys comment was a bit..... harsh maybe.... but when you are treated as Wu has treated her... and a few others... in the past..... things like that happen.... but again, probably shouldnt have here.... steve no disrespect to you, but im sticking with my comment.... im not the only one who knows better.... its cool though. We can all vote how we see fit as long as we arent blasting one dude with 1's, and the other with 10s, and we explain ourselves. I mean.... it is her, and mine, and everyone elses opinions dude. Thats what the votings for. Sure Wu HAD more...... but maybe some people feel quality over quantity... or whatever. who knows.

Iketeruguy
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# 26  
oh BTW Marley your comment's kind of WHACKED.  Wu worked like a MANIAC to develop this game.  The fact that it's not a comic shouldn't have anything thing to do with voting what so ever.  Flash based cartoons have always been an accepted form of entry on VOID and have always been looked foward to as few and far between as they are.  The simple fact that this fight is completely INTERACTIVE should warrant some HUGE CREATIVITY points.  As compared to Silver's entry, while as well rendered as it was, was still INCOMPLETE!  I love Silver's stuff but I'm not going to give him a better grade just because he turned in a two panel page of a single page COMIC when the minimum for the fight is three!  So you're right this shouldn't be too hard to decide after all....

Iketeruguy
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# 25  
well, Dan, that would probably be because the idea's been around for awhile, just never happened till now.  Kind of like that StickFa fight Gabe and Wu had talked about.  If that ever happens it's not like it was a year in progress just cause that's when the discussions about it started.

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
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# 24  
um... then why have I been hearing about this very game from you for like..... almost 2 months now? you... and kevin.... oh well. it was kinda cool..... the third level was WAY too hard.... and the 4th WAY too easy.... coulda had a better ballance in difficulty levels there......

zombi
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# 23  
*pets wu*
and you did a darn good job man
put a link to this on the front page

WuLongTi
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# 22  
wow.. I made the game and my high is like 856...  oh and FYI while I did do some code scribbles and test fighter animations with a different character all together the week prior... I didnt start anything contained within this game until the fight started 3 weeks ago. heck, you can ask silver, he's been seeing regular progress updates the whole time.  I've just spent entire weekends with no sleep and social interaction working on this thing...

galvo
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# 21  
YOU GOT MY VOTE WU.



even though this was hardly fair... how long was you workin on this? ... MONHTS? .. .taht aint cool.

Marley
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# 20  
stick figure hadoken..... or beautifully rendered COMIC page... hmmm hard one for me

RoadMaster
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# 19  
1161... I've been playing this game too much apparently :P

RoadMaster
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# 18  
toast is a mean old cheater, beatin my scores!

Kevin Birtcher
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# 17  
high score - 1104

rkarl03
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# 16  
wulong = t3h awesome

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
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# 15  
I beat stick guy.
Shredd wins.
btw... WHO made a stick guy fight first?

... thats right. ;)

WuLongTi
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# 14  
thanks guys, glad you like.  Next on my toDo list is a FF1 style RPG set in Wong Fei Hong times. I'm a little bummed that Silver only did one page I was really looking forward to see what he would do with a stick figure as an opponent.

As for the difficulty of the game.... I thought I made it too easy.....  As a tip though, SHREDD has 3 attack buttons, and they all do different stuff when jumping, standing or ducking. so just know what you can do and the game gets too easy....  I should have made it harder... or added a link at the end for a harder version... I think Toast beat it in like.... 5 mins?

zombi
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# 13  
LOL!
awesome stuff WU!
amazing job!
muwahahahahahaha!

fuck this game is hard

and silver, that one page says more than enough about what is to come
and once u get back dont forget that u owe me a fight...

SilverLimit
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# 12  
Nah man, this is it. Everything I'm drawing lately just isn't satisfying me.... in a big rut at the moment. That's why I won't be doing anymore fights for a while till I get my game back.

Wu, BADASS STUFF. Awsome to see a character of mine in a working game, and I'm TOTALLY drawing that SUPER SHREDD.

A Bad Idea
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# 11  
Ahhh ? The fight's up already ?? I coulda SWORE Silver had more pages to turn in, he told me on AIM. Would it be possible to put it off until we get word from him ?

WuLongTi
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# 10  
Gah!! last weekend to work on it and I'll be out of town!! Crap! I got part 1 done... oy!  I may have to trim parts 2 and 3 out and go straight to 4... ugh..

WuLongTi
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# 9  
ok so what if my fighter here is a stick figure.  that doesnt mean it's going to be easy to beat me.  after all he IS the boss fight at the end of this tourney...

besides... who said I was drawing it? ;P

Marley
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# 8  
dala with the banana hair dan... classic

DEDieckmann (SkullcapComix)
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# 7  
Man, Wu..... shoulda just had me draw the stick thing......

rememebr who the original Stick Fighter of Void is.... hahaha.

red-6
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# 6  
this will be interesting!!! every time i see stickman, i think of the walmart "smiley-face" character! except this time he aint slashin prices - his ass is gettin slashed!!

Wei Ingnan
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# 5  
actually I don't think either one of them have blood

A Bad Idea
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# 4  
FUCK YES. This is HISTORY right here. Spill some blood you two. :D

Arti
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# 3  
oooo yes it is here finally. good luck you two

WuLongTi
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# 2  
yes indeed, but this one should be lots of fun.  I know I'm having fun with this one and hopefully everyone else will have fun with it too!

oh, and you best bring the noise if you plan on having a chance against my little stick figure!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

SilverLimit
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# 1  
And so we come to......ENDGAME.

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Drawing Time: 3 weeks
Ended: Jun 10th, 2004
Votes Cast: 31
Page Views: 570
Winner: SilverLimit

 

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