Invitational Tournament 2012: Round 1 / Morrow Stone vs. Fredric

Invitational Tournament 2012: Round 1 — Morrow Stone vs. Fredric

by Con

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Angie
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# 30   Posted: Apr 15 2012, 07:21 PM
Con-your character will be the death of me, I'm a sucker for cute things. I think it was cool that you challenged yourself to do a silent comic, it's definitely no easy feat. I think most of the comic was clear except pages 4-5 got a little confusing. Were the two characters just going back and forth over good and bad things? Nonetheless it was a creative comic.

JoeNeary-you have a nice and interesting style, I'm interested in seeing where you go with it once you get more practice under your belt. One thing I noticed is you don't really distinguish the foreground from the background very well. For example, on page 2 the bottom part it would have helped to make the foreground toning  a bit darker from the background toning so there would be more separation between the two and it would give the page more depth.

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# 29   Posted: Apr 15 2012, 01:52 AM
Surprised by the hefty lead by Con.  Not that I dislike Con's comic, I like both quite a bit, I just thought it'd be a much closer race!

At any rate, Joe, I definitely didn't get a malicious vibe from your take on Morrow at all.  He seemed precocious, curious, and a bit naive -- like an actual kid.  Not some hammed up hollywood film child, and not some sterilized "tiny adult"-type characterization either.  Just a nice wandering kid horsin' around.  And the payoff was tremendous.  I love, love love Fredric's broken perceptions.  Please keep battling.  I want to battle you so bad it burns in tender places.

Con, I liked the way you told a story without dialogue.  Morrow's terrified expression as he starts to turn to run was a good example of capturing the moment very well in your expressions.  The anime-ish style helps a lot in that regard, of course, as they tend to have OTT expressive faces.  But your Fredric was also good, I liked the way his nightmarish mind seemed to invade and overtake the normally child-like and lighthearted atmosphere of the comic itself.  

DragonHeart
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# 28   Posted: Apr 14 2012, 11:25 PM
Con: No no Joe, I'm not saying you did a poor job portraying him. You did great! He would be likely to horse around a bit, he's definately not all serious or anything like that. I think Nox has probably seen Morrow and Darius as a pair on DA through previous comics (unrelated comics to be sure) and thought it seemed a bit more in Darius' style.

Again though, I thought you did pretty dern well with Morrow as a character and I thought making the coat alive/menacing was a neat idea and made for an awesome comic. Do you have any more battles lined up, Joe?
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Don't worry Con I wasn't adressing this to you rather to Nox because he seemed a bit vexed at me about i.t rather than you, and thats cleared it up about you having Morrow on deviantart and Nox following that

I'm discussing a colab thing right now, willl see how that goes. I start back at school this week so I am waiting to see my new timetable and deadlines before starting another battle again. But yes, I deffinitely plan to. :)

Con
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# 27   Posted: Apr 14 2012, 06:34 PM
No no Joe, I'm not saying you did a poor job portraying him. You did great! He would be likely to horse around a bit, he's definately not all serious or anything like that. I think Nox has probably seen Morrow and Darius as a pair on DA through previous comics (unrelated comics to be sure) and thought it seemed a bit more in Darius' style.

Again though, I thought you did pretty dern well with Morrow as a character and I thought making the coat alive/menacing was a neat idea and made for an awesome comic. Do you have any more battles lined up, Joe?

DragonHeart
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# 26   Posted: Apr 14 2012, 09:47 AM
Nox AKA V:
Joe made Morrow slightly OOC; I could see Darius doing that more than Morrow.
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Thanks, and sorry but what is 'OOC'?
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As you said yourself, 'OOC' is 'Out of Character', when an individual is not acting the way they were planned out to be. BTW, Darius is Morrow's twin brother, who would (in my opinion) do something more the style of faking out an unstable man.
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Erm... sorry but I don't know any of this. You obviously have a much better understanding of Morrow than me but I don't understand how? Is this some unvoidrelated thing or something? I see you're not really active on Void yet Nox, is this from some other comic battling site?

I was not intending to paint Morrow maliciously at all. I'd just call it innocent fun. Playing around. I'm pretty sure even if you are the kindest of kids you'd still joke around bit, play up as monster every now and again, especially if you are wearing a dinosaur hoody, I would at my age! Whatever though. I was just trying to write a fun comic.

Con
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# 25   Posted: Apr 14 2012, 09:21 AM
Nox AKA V:
Joe made Morrow slightly OOC; I could see Darius doing that more than Morrow.
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Thanks, and sorry but what is 'OOC'?
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As you said yourself, 'OOC' is 'Out of Character', when an individual is not acting the way they were planned out to be. BTW, Darius is Morrow's twin brother, who would (in my opinion) do something more the style of faking out an unstable man.
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Right you are. Darius has quite the little devil's streak in him. I will introduce him to the site probably after the tourney ends.

Nox AKA V
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# 24   Posted: Apr 14 2012, 05:59 AM
Joe made Morrow slightly OOC; I could see Darius doing that more than Morrow.
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Thanks, and sorry but what is 'OOC'?
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As you said yourself, 'OOC' is 'Out of Character', when an individual is not acting the way they were planned out to be. BTW, Darius is Morrow's twin brother, who would (in my opinion) do something more the style of faking out an unstable man.

Nox AKA V
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# 23   Posted: Apr 14 2012, 05:59 AM
Joe made Morrow slightly OOC; I could see Darius doing that more than Morrow.
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Thanks, and sorry but what is 'OOC'?
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As you said yourself, 'OOC' is 'Out of Character', when an individual is not acting the way they were planned out to be. BTW, Darius is Morrow's twin brother, who would (in my opinion) do something more the style of faking out an unstable man.

TINMAN
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# 22   Posted: Apr 13 2012, 12:17 AM
Con:Beautiful flowing line art and such divine compositions are the highlight of your work. Telling a story with no text can be a challenge but you accomplished it with aplomb. Its quite touching and you're a master of your cute style, faces and happy/horrors floating amid the Coo hWhip foam of your borders. Great expressions and tons of contours spilling everywhere makes it simultaneously a treat and a pain to follow. Some tones would have helped with separations but you clearly cranked out metric heaps of work here.

Joe: Wow man, that's just a trip. All the distorted dysmorphic stuff and super deformed story telling, its difficult to say what's your style and what you flaws are... tho I'm inclined to think STYLE IS What we, specifically do wrong. Its wild stuff, very heady, and clever. The lines are a bit messy and there's a lot of them, for which I give you props but you could do with some consistency if nothing else- sticking to a model or controlling your distortions so they appear less messy and more intentional. The motives veer from creepy to innocent, which is more high concept than most- keep that up.

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# 21   Posted: Apr 11 2012, 08:50 PM
Haha you guys are great.

Con: Goodness, this is great! You did a wonderful little silent comic. No complaints here, you did a brilliant and cute comic.

Joe: Your style is wild, and I can't wait to see it tighten up and develop here. I love how crazy your story is, although sometimes I feel like your facial distortions is you feeling you have limitations and have to make the face seem extra crazy. Entertaining though.

Stick around!

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# 20   Posted: Apr 11 2012, 12:22 PM
I can't say much as far as criticism goes, as any improvement tips I could give have already been given. :] I just want to tell you two that I REALLY liked both entries and was pleasantly surprised by the creativity and cohesiveness shown here. I found both entries easy to follow, cute, and entertaining. I'd love to see more work from both of you. <3

Kinu
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# 19   Posted: Apr 10 2012, 09:10 AM
Bgs = Backgrounds.

Miss Jetster Fukken Jay ❤︎
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# 18   Posted: Apr 10 2012, 03:02 AM
Morrow: Love the camos (one of the is Johnny, how could I not?) and the way you made this textless, I could still tell what was going on amongst the clutter. A really cute piece! I hope you manage to get some toning in on other comics and try this approach again, personally I like it a lot!

Joe: Sometimes the text was a little hard to read (either because lines were dropping into each other, or there were grey blotches between letters), and as mentioned, there are issues with artwork, but even so I really liked Frederic, he is an interesting character, and I think your style is pretty cool! The story was great even if Morrow was a little less interested than he should have been (Morrow is meant to be super helpful even when it doesn't suit him according to his bio), and it was a good read.

DragonHeart
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# 17   Posted: Apr 9 2012, 02:31 PM
PS. About spelling, my girlfriend, who is American, has just texted me about how the spelling of some of my words is simply different because of the UK/US spelling differences, e.g traumatized for US and traumatised for UK. Thanks.

DragonHeart
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# 16   Posted: Apr 9 2012, 02:27 PM
slothvert: These were both kinda wild and fun! Art issues aside, I really did enjoy your work, Joe. It was fun, and honestly, the character is way more interesting than I had imagined him being. Con, all of your work was pretty tight, and I liked how cute the story was. Nice work, to both of you!
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Thanks Sloth, really appreciate the praise. I've really realised comics are a great way of communicating and expressing yourself, no matter how many design sheets, or descriptions of Fredric I could have done I would not have been able to describe him like I did in that comic. :D

slothvert
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# 15   Posted: Apr 9 2012, 02:18 PM
These were both kinda wild and fun! Art issues aside, I really did enjoy your work, Joe. It was fun, and honestly, the character is way more interesting than I had imagined him being. Con, all of your work was pretty tight, and I liked how cute the story was. Nice work, to both of you!

DragonHeart
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# 14   Posted: Apr 9 2012, 02:00 PM
Joe, your human anatomy and perspective are still struggling against your stylized approach. That being said, I can tell you've been working at this and there is improvement! Fredric, as a character, is solidifying nicely. (He reminds me, intensely, of a geneticist I know...)
There were a few spelling errors speckled throughout your piece, which may have been avoided if you had someone proofread it for you.
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Ok, I really like how he reminds you of a geneticist, I imagine a sort of troubled genius. :D
So anatomy and perspective, yee, I've never really done any formal learning of that sorta stuff, always just drew fun stuff. I guess life drawings, studies of buildings etc, and picking out some books would be a good place to start?

I know its probably annoying but would you be able to note the spelling mistakes because I obviously spelled them how I thought they should be spelt.

Joe, it is very obvious that you need better understanding of anatomy. However, I still gave you a high score for creativity. I enjoyed your comic, and the only thing that bothered me really was sometimes it was hard to tell what was going on. Mainly with bgs. Just work on anatomy and perspective and you'll be golden.
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Ok, anatomy again lol. Thanks for the compliment on creativity, I appreciate it.
Sorry what does bgs stand for?

Joe: Bit hard to tell what was going on at times but I really enjoy your drawings, remind me of graph-artists for some reason..

Solid showing from both of you!
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I think the graph-art comment is a good thing, thanks. I will try harder on composition to make things more understandable , perhaps more solid pencilling, my pencilling was pretty rough and sketchy, and I just went into inking without thinking too much. I think thats a bad idea.

Joe made Morrow slightly OOC; I could see Darius doing that more than Morrow.
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Thanks, and sorry but what is 'OOC'?

Con, brilliant! I hope I didn't go to out of character with Morrow. I think you portrayed Fredric's madness well. Although he is probably not so downright evil, fun though! :D
I'd say, more line width would help differentiate stuff a bit more.

Nox AKA V
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# 13   Posted: Apr 9 2012, 01:29 PM
Both are very nice in their individual ways. Con did a good job of wordlessly making a story and making Fredric very in character. Joe made Morrow slightly OOC; I could see Darius doing that more than Morrow. Anyways, they both show what makes the main character themselves: Morrow's innocence and Fredric's paranoia are shown in their respective comics. Can't wait to see how this'll turn out!

Con
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# 12   Posted: Apr 9 2012, 11:18 AM
Thanks for all the feedback guys. I wish I'd had some time to grey or colour, but a week is tight with work. I will also take Am's suggestion from the chat and upload the pages a bit smaller the next time. This was my first time trying out a no dialogue comic so, it's nice that it's legible. xD

Nice work there Joe, I had a good time reading your work.

Fed
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# 11   Posted: Apr 9 2012, 10:46 AM
Cute story Con, I like the dream sequences and it's impressive you manage to tell an entire story without dialogue.. Good work!

Joe: Bit hard to tell what was going on at times but I really enjoy your drawings, remind me of graph-artists for some reason..

Solid showing from both of you!

Kinu
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# 10   Posted: Apr 9 2012, 10:15 AM
I really liked yours, Con. It was pretty ambitious of you to go the route with no dialogue, and it actually worked. I was able to tell what was going on! It was cluttered in some spots, and an easy fix for that would be adding in some grays or color. But I enjoyed your comic! Great job! (And thanks for the cameo xD)

Joe, it is very obvious that you need better understanding of anatomy. However, I still gave you a high score for creativity. I enjoyed your comic, and the only thing that bothered me really was sometimes it was hard to tell what was going on. Mainly with bgs. Just work on anatomy and perspective and you'll be golden.

Good fight, guys!

J.Vandermeer
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# 9   Posted: Apr 9 2012, 10:08 AM
Con, that was adorable. I love your style, and the story was pretty gosh darn cute. By the very nature of the piece, some scenes are cluttered. It added to the tension during some scenes, certainly, and this was probably intentional, but during lighter moments (Morrow explaining the nature of his relationship with his friend) it was quite distracting. Tones or colour would have helped.
Ohhhh goodness, though, it IS hard not to squeal. Nice cameos, by the by. :D

Joe, your human anatomy and perspective are still struggling against your stylized approach. That being said, I can tell you've been working at this and there is improvement! Fredric, as a character, is solidifying nicely. (He reminds me, intensely, of a geneticist I know...)
There were a few spelling errors speckled throughout your piece, which may have been avoided if you had someone proofread it for you.

Overall, you both submitted some rather large (conceptually, and by volume) pieces this round! Brilliant stuff.

DragonHeart
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# 8   Posted: Apr 8 2012, 11:37 PM
Mine is all uploaded now too. Friggin nervous. I really did leave uploading to the last minute... :S

DragonHeart
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# 7   Posted: Apr 8 2012, 09:52 AM
Cheers Con! Good luck to you too. It has been great fun drawing Morrow. Its so weird that we've both had such an impact on the way eachothers comics are and we've never even met or talked. Really look forward to yours too. :)

Kinu
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# 6   Posted: Apr 7 2012, 08:23 PM
C'mon, let's see some action!

Con
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# 5   Posted: Apr 7 2012, 08:04 PM
JoeNeary: OK, ye, I wanna mess him up a little bit... :D
Child Abuse!
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Hah hah, life wouldn't be complete without a set of ears being boxed.

Just commenting to signal I've loaded my half. Luck to both of us, eh Joe? Can't wait to see your stuff.

DragonHeart
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# 4   Posted: Apr 7 2012, 03:27 PM
OK, ye, I wanna mess him up a little bit... :D
Child Abuse!

Charlie
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# 3   Posted: Apr 1 2012, 07:09 PM
JoeNeary: Thanks!
Haha, I don't want to draw Fredric killing a child...!
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Yes you do :V

Good luck !!

DragonHeart
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# 2   Posted: Apr 1 2012, 01:38 PM
Thanks!
Haha, I don't want to draw Fredric killing a child...!

E.W. Schneider
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# 1   Posted: Apr 1 2012, 11:41 AM
Have an awesome first battle you guys!

Comic Details -

 
Type: Tournament Match
Drawing Time: 1 week
Ended: Apr 16th, 2012
Votes Cast: 56
Page Views: 932
Winner: Con

 

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