Whoa loads of comments, thanks for taking the time dudes, really appreciate it!
To answer, I'm glad some of you like the inking style, I'm still trying to fool around with inking styles because as much as i enjoy inking in refined way, I'm still trying to find the best way to illustrate what kind of drawings I want to create, so I am glad my experimentation still look readable and more importantly still enjoyable. I will take an extra care in using this kind of toning on my future works, I've used this type of toning before and admittedly it's still hard to get it just exactly right. I'll try my best
hand lettering is still one of my biggest problem, so hopefully I'll tackle this a bit more in my future comics!
Story wise, I was jonesin for a short slice of life thing and to my own surprise i found out I still enjoy doing them. Despite the abruptness and the lack of action thanks for giving them a read peeps here's for a better stories in the future!
As for the last page, no excuse, I just wanted to throw in a doodle for some reason
thanks again
Cavallero vs. j.j
Critiques & Comments
# 38
Posted:
Mar 25 2011, 10:44 AM
# 37
Posted:
Mar 24 2011, 08:01 PM
Willy D.
Your work is getting more solid, Drawing and inks def. looking nicer. However, I feel you're taking on too much trying to do full color, when you should be refining your inks and drawing principles, then maybe monotone or color after. I liked the story, very dramatic, looking forward to more of Cavallero's story.
Jho,
Sweet I liked it, most people said the things that need work, I like your inks and tones alot, your characters have so much style and life! Lettering is also swell, please keep up with more hand-lettering for FX and cool moments.
Your work is getting more solid, Drawing and inks def. looking nicer. However, I feel you're taking on too much trying to do full color, when you should be refining your inks and drawing principles, then maybe monotone or color after. I liked the story, very dramatic, looking forward to more of Cavallero's story.
Jho,
Sweet I liked it, most people said the things that need work, I like your inks and tones alot, your characters have so much style and life! Lettering is also swell, please keep up with more hand-lettering for FX and cool moments.
# 36
Posted:
Mar 24 2011, 10:34 AM
William-This was a fun story and you're getting better all the time. I liked the last 2 pages a lot. For me the biggest weakness was the colors. It would have been better to just stick with flats and not touch gradients since they look out of place against the characters' flat colors. I would like to see you practice with how color works, because right now most of your color choices are very stationary saturated default colors which makes them feel cheap.
http://purplekecleon.deviantart.com/art/How-I-See-Color-A-Tutorial-184642625
Is a tutorial on color theory that pretty much covers all the bases. I don't know if you want to pursue coloring but that's still a pretty good resource.
Jho-I really liked the inking and the character interaction here, I was wondering how you were going to deal with Cavallero. The only thing I noticed that was a bit off was some of the toning. On page 4 panels 2, 4, and 6 I would have liked to see the gray be closer to the gray that is in the bottom half of the page just due to the darker toning being a bit harder on my eyes. I was also a litlte sad that there was a dip in quality on the last page, that very last panel could have been really cool but the sudden super simple style felt really jarring against the rest of the comic which was pretty well rendered.
http://purplekecleon.deviantart.com/art/How-I-See-Color-A-Tutorial-184642625
Is a tutorial on color theory that pretty much covers all the bases. I don't know if you want to pursue coloring but that's still a pretty good resource.
Jho-I really liked the inking and the character interaction here, I was wondering how you were going to deal with Cavallero. The only thing I noticed that was a bit off was some of the toning. On page 4 panels 2, 4, and 6 I would have liked to see the gray be closer to the gray that is in the bottom half of the page just due to the darker toning being a bit harder on my eyes. I was also a litlte sad that there was a dip in quality on the last page, that very last panel could have been really cool but the sudden super simple style felt really jarring against the rest of the comic which was pretty well rendered.
# 35
Posted:
Mar 23 2011, 06:38 AM
William Duel:
Work on your anatomy cause your characters are very stiff - I suggest drawning from real models.
JinguJ:
I had hard time starting to read this as it seemed boring, but as it turned out their conversation was quite enjoyable You use grey color as a background a lot XD
Work on your anatomy cause your characters are very stiff - I suggest drawning from real models.
JinguJ:
I had hard time starting to read this as it seemed boring, but as it turned out their conversation was quite enjoyable You use grey color as a background a lot XD
# 34
Posted:
Mar 22 2011, 08:25 PM
Will: A few people have hinted touched on this, but I'm gonna suggest working on your colors. Only the last page has any sort of shading, the vast majority of the comic is only flats, and most of the backgrounds are just gradients. Additionally, the heavy blacks are clashing with the colors, in my opinion. On a positive note, I really like the story... just strengthen up the art. Or maybe be a little less ambitious with only a one week deadline. I don't know what your schedule is like, but eight color pages is a kind of a lot for a single week.
Jho: Lovely as always, though the end feels kinda weird. It's just so abrupt.
Jho: Lovely as always, though the end feels kinda weird. It's just so abrupt.
# 33
Posted:
Mar 22 2011, 04:01 PM
I guess the only thing I can say for will is to work on your perspective for faces and try not be super realistic with mouth expressions cause it gives it a bit of an ugly look, just try to make it convincing for now.
# 32
Posted:
Mar 21 2011, 12:54 PM
I quite enjoyed both comics, you guys. Nice work.
Duel: Fun story! I enjoy how naive your character seems, it's refreshing. The humor was cute, nice character interactions. Could definitely benefit from some more backgrounds. Try experimenting more with solid shapes and colors instead of gradients.
Jho: COOL BEANS. Nice shading, always love the details in your pages. You did well with your character interactions, too. Nice little conversation piece- difficult to write those and keep them interesting, but you did a fab job. It would be nice to see more refined inks from you since I know you can do it, but nothing to really complain about.
Duel: Fun story! I enjoy how naive your character seems, it's refreshing. The humor was cute, nice character interactions. Could definitely benefit from some more backgrounds. Try experimenting more with solid shapes and colors instead of gradients.
Jho: COOL BEANS. Nice shading, always love the details in your pages. You did well with your character interactions, too. Nice little conversation piece- difficult to write those and keep them interesting, but you did a fab job. It would be nice to see more refined inks from you since I know you can do it, but nothing to really complain about.
# 31
Posted:
Mar 21 2011, 11:49 AM
Loved both of these comics. Will, your art has really come a long way, which is pretty fucking awesome to see. Definitely work on your backgrounds a bit more, and tighten up your anatomy a bit and you'll be very solid.
Jho, love your art, loved this little slice of life story. Really liked the crosshatching and tones you've got going on here
Jho, love your art, loved this little slice of life story. Really liked the crosshatching and tones you've got going on here
# 30
Posted:
Mar 20 2011, 08:27 AM
Pretty funny stuff guys, I really enjoyed both comics.
# 29
Posted:
Mar 19 2011, 05:53 PM
Will: Not the best art I've seen from you, but definitely the best plot/narrative and pacing, by far. And the characters felt much more real than they usually do with you. I really like that. Keep brushing up on your drawing and anatomy, and keep up this level of storywriting, and you got something good going on
Jho: It was cute, I enjoyed it, even if surprisingly more simple than I thought it'd be. Not much as far as a plot goes, more or less just character interaction for fun, which really was fun. The last page cracked me up hardcore!
Both of you, really nice job on this for the time given.
Jho: It was cute, I enjoyed it, even if surprisingly more simple than I thought it'd be. Not much as far as a plot goes, more or less just character interaction for fun, which really was fun. The last page cracked me up hardcore!
Both of you, really nice job on this for the time given.
# 28
Posted:
Mar 19 2011, 02:55 PM
Will: The story is anime-tastic in its dialogue and pacing but it feels genuine, which is good, and hard for some manga-inspired Western writers to get down. It's clear that there was an improvement in your characters between this comic and your last comic. However, the color splash only slightly hides a comic almost completely devoid of backgrounds(the last page in particular feels empty despite the plantlife in the middleground). But you've drawn plenty of backgrounds in past comics so I'd chalk this up to not having enough time. The figures on page 7 look a bit skewed, and this is something I've seen in your past comics from time to time. Try to keep an eye on your figures to make sure they don't look like they're slanting off in a direction. When it happens to me, and I've already inked the panel, what I tend to do is play with the transform tool in Photoshop (you can use the distort/warp/free transform tool for whatever art program you may use), and correct the slant by subtly slanting bodyparts(or the whole body sometimes) into proper form. Just be sure you're working at a high enough dpi/resolution that doing this doesn't blur up your lines. Hope that helps in future comics :]
jho: I see what you mean about the issue with this comic. I think this comic of yours in particular is dangerously close to being boring, but it never goes that far. The dialogue is believable and it has a satisfying pay-off. But you're fully aware of the challenge of making what looks like a story about nothing actually mean something, so you don't really need anyone else reminding you. This isn't one of your stronger comics but it's still not a bad one :]
jho: I see what you mean about the issue with this comic. I think this comic of yours in particular is dangerously close to being boring, but it never goes that far. The dialogue is believable and it has a satisfying pay-off. But you're fully aware of the challenge of making what looks like a story about nothing actually mean something, so you don't really need anyone else reminding you. This isn't one of your stronger comics but it's still not a bad one :]
# 27
Posted:
Mar 19 2011, 10:13 AM
1. lovin the narrative. the horse talk came out of fucking nowhere cracked me the fuck out
2. your drawing has come a long way. shit. big thumbs/toes up. even if you said you didn't finish the shading, it looks great stilll. also your faces are way more consistent than you think.
i like the interpretation of the backstory and the spaceduck + metro cameo... and the missiles.. this.. this kinda 'serious yet jokes' type of thing is mighty fine in my book. hope you'll keep doing more battles and as they say...
NEVER BACK DOWN
NEVER GIVE IT UP
thanks for battling me ! ! (and sorry for my cheap, cheap jokes. HAHAHA)
2. your drawing has come a long way. shit. big thumbs/toes up. even if you said you didn't finish the shading, it looks great stilll. also your faces are way more consistent than you think.
i like the interpretation of the backstory and the spaceduck + metro cameo... and the missiles.. this.. this kinda 'serious yet jokes' type of thing is mighty fine in my book. hope you'll keep doing more battles and as they say...
NEVER BACK DOWN
NEVER GIVE IT UP
thanks for battling me ! ! (and sorry for my cheap, cheap jokes. HAHAHA)
# 26
Posted:
Mar 19 2011, 09:22 AM
I'm a little busy so I'll reread william's later but Jho, you showed a lot of improvement in this one, however I do feel like you should have used gray of make you tones a bit more spaced out because on huge screens, these pages come off smaller and the tones really mess with the eyes.
I do like your use of lines and i look forward to seeing more.
again, I'll try to give a more detailed crit after class.
I do like your use of lines and i look forward to seeing more.
again, I'll try to give a more detailed crit after class.
# 25
Posted:
Mar 19 2011, 08:31 AM
Whoa, nice!
Will, I remember when i started out here and you just got in your first character in roundabout the same time (at least this is what my memory tells me) and this is like AWESOME progress! I liked your story kinda serious and Cavallero being fantastically awkward. Also random: Twilight Saint = Twilight + Saint Seiya?
JJ, your draws are vewy pwetty as usual. Nice lighthearted story, too!
Will, I remember when i started out here and you just got in your first character in roundabout the same time (at least this is what my memory tells me) and this is like AWESOME progress! I liked your story kinda serious and Cavallero being fantastically awkward. Also random: Twilight Saint = Twilight + Saint Seiya?
JJ, your draws are vewy pwetty as usual. Nice lighthearted story, too!
# 24
Posted:
Mar 18 2011, 10:47 PM
Uploaded.
# 23
Posted:
Mar 17 2011, 11:42 AM
oh shi
uploadedd
edit: uploaded the wrong files, oops! hope it's still readable, big thanks for my best buddy sercha for language help, always.
uploadedd
edit: uploaded the wrong files, oops! hope it's still readable, big thanks for my best buddy sercha for language help, always.
# 22
Posted:
Mar 13 2011, 11:01 AM
Sweet! Thanks for the extension!
# 21
Posted:
Mar 12 2011, 11:26 AM
An extension? YES!! Dreams do come true!
# 20
Posted:
Mar 12 2011, 09:54 AM
Do your best guys!
# 19
Posted:
Mar 12 2011, 12:46 AM
and all is right in the world again
# 18
Posted:
Mar 11 2011, 07:46 PM
Toast u so dreamy
# 17
Posted:
Mar 11 2011, 04:27 PM
is it alright to cancel the battle then? I really don't care about default battle
# 16
Posted:
Mar 11 2011, 04:21 PM
1 weeker doesnt get extension sadly I would love to extend this even so will can post. Default is not fun at all. is this possible at all?
# 15
Posted:
Mar 11 2011, 04:19 PM
No extension possibilities? It's a shame to see an accidental default
# 14
Posted:
Mar 11 2011, 04:18 PM
aw man, that's ok though. hope you'll put it up later.
# 13
Posted:
Mar 11 2011, 04:06 PM
Jho I'm reAllyvery sorry but I'm afraid I have to default. I don't have much choice. My plan was to return to my house before midnight, add dialogue and call it a done deal. As it stands right now it won't be happening. I won't be returning until tomorrow which is frustrating because it cuts into my PAX plans as well. All I can promise to do is to put it up when all is said and done.
# 12
Posted:
Mar 9 2011, 12:23 PM
shit mannnnnnnn
# 11
Posted:
Mar 9 2011, 11:52 AM
shit mannnnnnnn
# 10
Posted:
Mar 7 2011, 07:50 AM
Show us what you've got scumbags.
# 9
Posted:
Mar 5 2011, 06:30 PM
JJ is battling again! THIS IS AMAAAAAZIIIIIIING!!!
# 8
Posted:
Mar 4 2011, 10:22 PM
AHHHH! HELLZ YAH!
# 7
Posted:
Mar 4 2011, 10:10 PM
WILLIE D!!!!!!!
AND JHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
*manly tear*
AND JHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
*manly tear*
# 6
Posted:
Mar 4 2011, 08:41 PM
Great to see everyone is gonna keep on going. Welcome back Will, good luck you two.
# 5
Posted:
Mar 4 2011, 06:11 PM
FINALLY William Duel has come back to Void!
I've been waiting for a battle from you for a while... and with Jho? Hot damn! Color me excited!
I've been waiting for a battle from you for a while... and with Jho? Hot damn! Color me excited!
# 4
Posted:
Mar 4 2011, 06:07 PM
Oh man, william, good luck!!
you too jho, i want to see the ink flow <3
you too jho, i want to see the ink flow <3
# 3
Posted:
Mar 4 2011, 05:05 PM
if you didn't finish or worse, default, I'm gonna JUDGE you.
likewise if I don't finish I'll shut my mouth forever.
likewise if I don't finish I'll shut my mouth forever.
# 2
Posted:
Mar 4 2011, 05:02 PM
This was a poorly thought out decision.
# 1
Posted:
Mar 4 2011, 05:00 PM
c-c-c-c-crazy!
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I want to thank everyone who took the time to comment and vote, it's really helpful to me, there's a lot of advice to take in and the road is still long and hard for me.
For me the goal this time around was to fully color a comic no matter what. I have often complained about my lack of coloring skill before and I'm sure this comic has revealed why, but I thought I would rather attempt it than not. I did want to shade it but time ran out in the end. I want to thank Jho and Toast too for extending it. I tried to make use of that extra time the best I could but even at the end, it's hard to say I was fully satisfied. I cursed myself for depending on the gradients but I didn't like the look of it especially because I lacked enough backgrounds to cover those spaces. But anyways thanks for the taking the time to read it.
And to answer Fern's question...yeah Saint Seiya was one of my all time favorites growing up. It's responsible for my frequent attempts at body armor. If anything I heavily based the organization that Cav is a part of on Saint Seiya's Sanctuary.